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(RNS) American nuns who are under investigation by the Vatican say last week's discussions with Rome were "difficult" and indicate that public comments by a number of U.S. bishops have not made negotiations easier. By David Gibson.

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  1. “We have never considered ourselves in any way unfaithful to the church, but if questioning is interpreted as defiance, that puts us in a very difficult position,” Sister Pat Farrell, head of the LCWR, said. Sorry, Sr. Pat. When you and your leadership openly “preach” outside of Catholic teaching, and fail to heed repeated warnings about it … for years! … then you are indeed being unfaithful to the Church, or at least its long-held teachings. You knew you were doing it, and continued to do it. That is called defiance. Don’t act surprised when you are called on it.

  2. Stephen Sottile

    Questioning dogmas that are not inerrant is not defiance. The Church has historically has been open to questioning and evolution on its teachings that were not fundamentals of the faith. That is what the Sisters have been doing. They may be naive especially given the reactionary nature of the Popes since Vatican II but they are following in a long tradition of respectful dialogue. Unfortunately the other side of the conversation hasn’t had the ears to hear the message.

  3. Stephen, if you research a little and read the Catechism you’ll find that a dogma is something that is not open to question – the sisters are questioning church teaching on: abortion, homosexuality, women priests which are beliefs that the Church has always held. They are not open for discussion. The Church cannot change those teachings, fundamentally based on the Ten Commandments. That is the problem for these nuns. If they wish to remain Catholic they have to accept all the dogmas of the Church.

  4. Lionel Andrades

    Sr.Janet Mock doesn’t realize that the LCWR sisters are confused on Vatican Council II and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

    Sister Janet Mock, executive director of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR) acknowledges that a few sisters have moved so far outside church tradition that it’s difficult to recognize them as Catholic. But the Leadership Conference of Women Religious she said didn’t encourage that.

    “Somebody, and we don’t know who, is behind all of this questioning of our organization,” she said. “If we could just sit down with whoever has a question, I think it would be easier. This comes close to maligning the organization, painting everybody in it with the same brush.” (1)

    I have been sending her these blog posts hoping she will tell me what they believe is the Church’s doctrinal teachings on this subject i.e the issue of exclusive salvation being there in only the Catholic Church and there are no known cases in 2012 of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire, a good conscience (LG 16) and ‘seeds of the word’(Vatican Council II)

    As part of ‘the church tradition’ which she accepts, does she accept Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II which states all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation ( to avoid Hell) ?.-Lionel Andrades
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    1.
    http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/local/region/nuns-leader-seeks-dialogue-with-vatican-to-plead-case-639727/

    If the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 said that the baptism of desire was an exception to the dogma they made a mistake: So why cannot the Leadership Conference of Women Religious hold the literal interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus along with implicit baptism of desire ?
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/06/if-letter-of-holy-office-1949-said-that.html#links

    FOR FIVE YEARS CARDINAL LEVADA HAS BEEN ALLOWING DISSENTING SISTERS TO RECEIVE THE EUCHARIST
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/06/for-five-years-cardinal-levada-has-been.html

    LCWR SISTERS CONFUSED ON VATICAN COUNCIL II AND THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/06/lcwr-sisters-confused-on-vatican.html#links

    Reality check: The LCWR, CDF and the Doctrinal Assessment by Bishop Leonard Blair: Do they have the right to receive the Eucharist ?
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/06/reality-check-lcwr-cdf-and-doctrinal.html

    CARDINAL LEVADA SAYS LCWR SISTERS CAN AVAIL OF THE SACRAMENT OF PENANCE- WHAT ABOUT THE EUCHARIST?
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/06/cardinal-levada-says-lcwr-sisters-can.html#links

    LCWR Sisters and the Secretary of the CDF need to affirm the literal interpretation of the dogma in accord with Vatican Council II (AG 7) along with implicit baptism of desire and invincible ignorance
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/06/lcwr-sisters-and-secretary-of-cdf-need.html#links

    When the LCWR invites Curran, Hubbard and Schneiders they are saying the Catholic Church is not the one true Church (UR 3) and every one does not need faith and baptism for salvation (AG 7)
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/06/when-lcwr-invites-curran-hubbard-and.html

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