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(RNS/ENInews) Leading church historian Diarmaid MacCulloch believes Christianity faces a "bright future" worldwide, but predicts the Roman Catholic church will undergo a major schism over its moral and social teaching. By Jonathan Luxmoore.

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  1. Did he actually say “schism”? It sounds like he is talking about people leaving because of doctrinal and moral issue, which would not be a matter of mere schism.

    Also, the European Catholics he is talking about is small small and insignificant that it would not be that much of a break. It would be more like a trickle.

  2. Firstly this story is vastly overplayed. There is a very small yet very vocal dissident group, which will probably soon leave because they are so far from orthodox Catholicism anyways. Long live the Pope and the Catholic true faith.

  3. Carl Diederichs

    I think that in the U.S. we are experiencing a schism without leaving the church. The rise of lay groups exercising their baptismal charisms is increasing. And certainly the Sensus Fidelium which is trivialized by the leadership, is alive and well and will prevail.

  4. Tom Hardjowirogo

    In North America, and in Canada in particular, the new influx of immigrants coming into the country has created an interesting dynamics that the Catholic clergy has to deal with. A lot of the more conservative and traditional practises followed by the newly arrived immigrants stand in stark contrast with those who were born in Canada, or have been in the country a lot longer. Practises such as kissing images of saints, perpetual adorations, taking communion through the tongue etc. are making their way into Churches that have not seen these done before, causing discomforts to many ‘traditionalists. While at the same these enriched the practise, many of the main stream church goers are quite concerned about the perceived return of the ‘hocus pocus’ supernatural practises that many had been going away from since Vatican II. Schism might be too strong a word, but conflict – yes.

  5. Stephen Spencer

    “…over the Vatican’s failure to listen to European Catholics.” Problem 1: the Vatican is overwhelmingly staffed by European Catholics–including all of the recent Popes. Problem 2: why would an universal, eternal Church listen to a small part of the Church, during a narrow part of history? Especially when that part of the Church is characterized by dropping vocations, lethargy, secularism, and decline? Those who are rational care about following the Truth–not rebelling against it.

  6. “Influential church historian Diarmaid MacCulloch…”
    What is this supposed to mean? What is an influential historian? I’ve never heard of him nor know who has he influenced. Is this the new Eusebius of Antioch?

  7. Oh yes. Surely a married and female clergy is the answer. Just like it was for the Anglican Church this gentleman is a deacon for.

  8. Thanks, Alejo: I guessed this guy might be Anglican or such but wasn’t sure. He obviously is projecting wishful thoughts onto a reality quite different than that he sees. The Catholic Church is very resistant to schism compared to Protestant denomations. I can only theorize as to why that is; my best guess, when Catholicism splits, the two parts don’t have equal claim to being the continuation of the pre-split church. The Papacy remains with one, that is the ‘true” Church. So people don’t want to break off and form a new denomination, while Protestatn Churchs can simply split into two Churches equally a continuation of the earlier church. Even with the Great Western Schism, the claims of the Avingon Anti-Papacy were weak (Cardinals cannot remove a Pope once elected, no matter why they elected him).
    As to the divisions within the Church here in the US, the progressive wing is simply too aged to create a new denomination of any size or vitality. If any forms, which is possible, it will be tiny and short lived. I realize the situation in Austria and Germay is somewhat more fertile for such a schismt but only somewhat. Does Germany really need another Lutheran Church?

  9. James of Nashville

    If there is going to be a schism …it will be liberal Catholics breaking away forming newer versions of Protestant churchs. I’m guesing that when this happens…the true Catholic Church will be in disaray for a time predicted by many of our saints and prophets. Already we see a large number of apostates…former Catholics… persecuting the Church. We will live our calvary but will rise again purified. Pray for our beloved pope Benedict the XVI because the wolves are ready to prounce.

  10. seems to me the episcopalians andor methodists are in need of new adherents from the RC left.

    RC doctrine charts the closest to scripture than the rest. what a beautiful tradition.

    I am concerned that the RC right (SSPX, etc) are gaining too much influence. cannot imagine my attending mass in latin. these folks do. i doubt jesus or peter spoke latin. pilate probaly did not use it every day either.

    VCII does much to open RCC to the love of christ. some just got carried away and forgot to keep worshipping.

    married MALE clergy must be in our future. just because st paul was unmarried, is not a scriptural mandate. st peter was married. we know there were conflicts in the past with married clergy. we also know there are problems with UNmarried clergy. a lack of vocations being the lesser of the problems.

  11. Dan in Chicago

    Rewrite the story of Vatican II? Oh, please. . .

    I’m sorry, but this article is. . . well. . . silly.

  12. Obviously, this “influential” Anglican church historian is speaking from his very own perspective as a deacon of a church which has allowed married and female clergy as a sort of “solution” to the problem. But he doesn’t mention the number of former Anglicans, both clergy and laity, who have converted to Catholicism precisely because of this supposed “solution.”
    If any particular group of unhappy Catholics leave the Church, that doesn’t make it a schism. It will be a purification of the Catholic Church, more like a pruning of the vine.

  13. Douay-Rheims Bible  

    “And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Matt 16:18

    Simply put wouldn’t you agree?

  14. Kenneth E. Nowell

    Perhaps the “top church historian” would advise that we Catholics seek out the Spiritual wisdom of the holy founder of his church: Henry VIII. But, then again, I think I’ll just stick with the guidance of our top historian: Pope Benedict.

  15. Cody in Tucson

    I’ll agree about a schism in the U.S. especially when you look at the bishops, clergy, and religious. That is where our real problem lies, at the top.

  16. Michael Riley

    There are many selfish Catholics who refuse to accept the authority of the Pope and the teaching of the Church. They are like the Israelites in the desert who complained to Moses and were swallowed up by the ground beneath their feet. Good riddance to them.

  17. What the author is trying to say is that he desperately wants a schism. But Christ has promised that the gates of hell will not prevail against his Church.

  18. We need to be back to basics like in padre pio’s day. Women were in church modest and wearing veils.

  19. Last year I bought his 2009 book “A History of Christianity: The First Three Thousand Years,” thinking it would be an interesting and informative book. It was enough to make you puke. Without a doubt he is an anti-Catholic and I would question his even being a Christian

  20. Elizabeth Finnigan

    Something is wrong with your word image. It keeps getting rejected! E.

  21. This theologian won the Cundill prize in history in 2010 – well that is no great shakes. The 2011 prize was awarded to a book which suggested that Padre Pio used carbolic acid to create his stigmata! See my article on this at frankrega dot com.

  22. Paul Michaels

    I found the Anglican’s Deacons comments entertaining; I always enjoy a good laught in the afternoon. Seriously, the Anglican Church is imploding and will cease to exist 50 years from now.

  23. When schism happens in the RCC, we hope its the END of the world. That is what happened with many who left because they refused to heed with the RCC teachings on marriage first before sex. Gees, everybody wanted sex and that instant gratification first. Today is that healthy today? NO.. Is abortion healthy? NO. Is divorce healthy? NO. Is dishonesty/cheating healthy? NO. This is the RCC is all about. It is then, it is now and will be until kingdom come………………..Thy will be DONE on earth as it is in HEAVEN.

  24. We needn’t worry about the survival of the Church. It will survive, if not in Europe, then in Africa, if not in North America then South America, if not in Australia then in China. The Holy Spirit works only where the heart is open and accepting. Those who are blinded by the world look to worldly solutions.

  25. A deliberately misleading headline. “Top church historian” – not the Catholic Church.
    Only clarified at the end of second paragraph – “deacon of the Anglican church”.
    Look at your own house to see what is causing its total collapse – accommodation to
    secular mores, abandoning Christ’s teachings and refusing to follow “Peter”, the rock and shepherd of Christ’s flock. Take care of that “Beam” before cautioning about the
    “Speck.”

  26. You’ll have to forgive me if I don’t take seriously lecturing on schism from an Anglican official. Last I checked the Anglican church has been in constant state of near schism due to it’s continued move to the left. Episcopalians (US Anglicans) have been leaving their churches in droves to the point that there are now only somewhere near 650,000 practicing Episcopalians in the entire US!

    Yes Christianity has a bright future, but that future is not within the Anglican communion.

  27. “Sensus Fidelium” doesn’t equate with a democracy. It’s not what individuals or groups of people in the Church think or feel, like or dislike. The Sensus Fidelium is what ALL the FAITHFUL in the Church believe – IN UNION with the Pope and Bishops of the Church. That CONSENSUS would enjoy the Infallibility of Church teaching. It can never be in opposition to the Magisterium. People in a democratic society, where often there is majority rule, find this difficult to understand. “To you (Peter) I give the Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven.”

  28. Luke the Illuminator

    The Catholic Church is already in the most deplorable state of the Greatest Schism in the history of the Church – a modernist schism that has occurred from within and began long ago. Most recent ecclesiastical leaders in in the Church, from popes, cardinals and bishops along with most priests, religious and laity, have apostatized from the true teachings of Jesus Christ. Is there evidence of this with respect to the question posed on this article? Yes!

    –Ongoing, long-term preparations by rebellious Catholic ecclesiastical leaders (including a node and a wink from the most recent popes), priests and laity to bring about an apostate female priesthood in the Catholic Church through the widespread acceptance of alter girls (the purpose of alter boys was to prepare some of them to become future priests), women Eucharistic ministers (traditionally only male priests, during church services, distributed the Sacred Species), women readers (Paul warned the church that women should not speak in church) and women on the altar.

    Should Catholics who persevere in the true Catholic Christian faith leave the Catholic Church and say join the lefeberites over the aforementioned scandal and other scandals that are even far worse? No! First, the Church is perfect in Jesus Christ. Second, Jesus said, “Take up your cross and follow Me.” Third, when Jesus was on the earth he foresaw when he returned, at his Second Coming, there would be little faith on earth – there would only be a remnant. Jesus asked, “When the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on earth?” (Luke 18:18). It can be surmised from the foregoing statements that faithful Catholic Christians should offer up there sufferings and crosses with Jesus Christ for the renewal of the Catholic Church (this hopefully should prevent the female priesthood from ever being officially accepted in the Catholic Church) and, more importantly, prepare for the long awaited Second Coming of Jesus Christ!

  29. Luke the Illuminator

    The Catholic Church is already in the most deplorable state of the Greatest Schism in the history of the Church – a modernist schism that has occurred from within and began long ago. Most recent ecclesiastical leaders in in the Church, from popes, cardinals and bishops along with most priests, religious and laity, have apostatized from the true teachings of Jesus Christ. Is there evidence of this with respect to the question posed on this article? Yes!

    —Ongoing, long-term preparations by rebellious Catholic ecclesiastical leaders (including a nod and a wink from the most recent popes), priests and laity to bring about an apostate female priesthood in the Catholic Church through the widespread acceptance of alter girls (the purpose of having alter boys on the altar was to prepare some of them to become future male priests), women Eucharistic ministers (traditionally only male priests, during church services, distributed the Sacred Species), women readers (Paul warned the church that women should not speak in church) and women on the altar.

    Should Catholics who persevere in the true Catholic Christian faith leave the Catholic Church and say join the lefeberites over the aforementioned scandal and other scandals that are even far worse? No! First, the Church is perfect in Jesus Christ. Second, Jesus said, “Take up your cross and follow Me.” Third, when Jesus was on the earth he foresaw when he returned, at his Second Coming, there would be little faith on earth – there would only be a remnant. Jesus asked, “When the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on earth?” (Luke 18:18). It can be surmised from the foregoing statements that faithful Catholic Christians should offer up their sufferings and crosses with Jesus Christ for the renewal of the Catholic Church (this hopefully should prevent the female priesthood from ever being officially accepted in the Catholic Church) and, more importantly, prepare for the long awaited Second Coming of Jesus Christ!

  30. This article was foolish and malicious. The author belongs to a church which is falling apart at the seams and is”prophecying” the same for the Catholic Church? Nonsense. The Holy Spirit is purifying the Catholic Church of the false and lukewarm. This Church is being geared up for battle with an increasingly corrupt world. We are the Church Militant and are in union with the Holy Father and the Bishops. A few will leave but that is because the Holy Spirit is putting them out because of their unrepented sins. At the proper time Christ let the unrepentant Judas go to his own end and He went on with His saving work. Praise Jesus!

  31. Amen, amen, “WE” say un too thee, it’s not the Church Leadership, it’s some of “WE” lay people that are the problem. As the sun rises in the east and set’s in the west, because you got’s a college degree, doesn’t imply any way, shape, or form that your on the same page as Holy Mother Roman Catholic Church. In plain English, with some, more of a hindrance than a asset to the Church. Incidently, with “SOME” a person could possibly have replace their most important assset, namely your Immortal soul with a college education.

  32. I would like to correct Professor MacCulloch on two levels;

    First, the Roman Catholic Church does not insist nor ask for an entirely celibate clergy. There are three ordained clergy members; Bishop, Priest and Deacon. The permanant Deacon is allowed a normal non-celibate marriage.

    Second, on the subject of John Paul II attempting to rewrite Vatican II to a more conservative agenda, Optatam Totius did not call for the formation and advancement of Deacons, nor did any of the 16 documents of Vatican II. Lumen Gentium simply allowed for the Diaconate to be restored in practice. The Diaconate rose as a new Priesthood from the Pews bringing married family men to the Ambo with Grace to read the Gospel and Preach sermons. This was the Spirit of Vatican II extended beyond its documents under the leadership of Pope John Paul II.

    A final comment on Leadership might help all Church Historians who get lost in agenda driven writing, John Paul II brought a personalized message of international and ecumenical hope of greater import than any other clergyman has in history. If one has an issue with Doctinal Hierarchy address that directly. John Paul II protected our Church’s foundation while evolving and spreading the Spirit of Vatican II which defines perfected Christian Leadership for our one True Church today.

  33. Last time I looked, Jesus wasn’t a European, and he died to save all men, not just Europeans.

    The church is alive and well in Africa and Asia, and if the PC decide to try to destroy the church, well, never mind. We’ll send you missionaries.

  34. An interesting story of a man who was both a Roman and an Episcopalian priest and why he returned to the Roman Catholic Church

    www.alostshepherdmedjugorje.blogspot.com

  35. No we do not need women priestesses, and that is what they would be. If you want women priestesses, go join the Episcopalians. They have plenty of women priestesses, but they are no longer Christian but pagan — into goddess worship and an anything goes immorality — and that is where you, too will end. Pope John Paul II said that the Catholic Church has no authority whatsoever to ordain women as priests, and the Pope will never paganize the Church. End of discussion.

  36. Wishful thinking of a desperate hater of the cross who plays the prophet when he should sear in his forehead that denial of self will comes first, then pick up his daily cross and learn from those daily challenges that help us in self emptying in order to draw nearer to Jesus all the way to Calvary where emptied of self we’re filled by God for in the end “God will be all in all” unless we’re to full of ourselves and sink like a rock unrepented. I hope for all good thing from God and fear all evil from myself. I’m not sure who wrote this motto but it has been a great help to me in my way of the cross. Thanks be to God!

  37. Robert Hidalgo

    I do not see a bright future for Christianity for the many.
    I do see a bright future for those who remain faithful as the church gets lean in membership.
    A major schism has been anticipated in prophecy, so nothing is so new or so secret.
    There is no evidence of any division between John Paul II and Benedict XVI.
    The biggest movement from the Second Vatican Council was Marian.
    In fact, with the English language returning to a more faithful translation from the Latin in the Order of Mass, under Benedict XVI, confusion has been banished.
    Married or female clergy are quite creepy as Jesus called singular men to abandon all to follow him.
    Women have a higher calling than priesthood; the calling is motherhood. It was through a woman that Jesus was able to begin his salvific work.
    I highly doubt that MacCulloch understands Christian culture. The leader of the Roman, Orthodox, and some Protestant churches is none other than Jesus Christ himself. MacCulloch’s leader is Queen Elizabeth, so it is natural to see that he is blinded by that fog which eclipses salvation himself.
    Jesus saves; Queen Elizabeth does not.
    It appears MacCulloch promotes the female priesthood as if to assert Queen Elizabeth’s preeminence before Jesus Christ.
    British, Cambridge, and knighthood are buzz words that allow the reader to know that the UK is somehow superior to all.
    Have not we heard enough of how England, and the UK in general, participated in the diabolical Atlantic System in order to disenfranchise virtually all of Africa and the Americas for centuries?
    Should anyone suppose the UK is somehow superior when history is quickly judging UK’ers to be a nuisance to humanity much like the French, Spanish, and Portuguese who conquered in the name of their wallet?
    With the Anglican world anticipates much of its flock to become Roman Catholic in light of the Anglican scandals of female and gay priests, MacCulloch probably should be paying more attention to his own conversion.
    Queen Elizabeth, leader of her own Church of England, has no right to the priesthood, and is spiritually voluptuous to presume such a stance.

  38. What MacCulloch describes is not schism….but apostasy. THAT is already taking place. There are a number of Catholics who reject the Teaching Magisterium of the Catholic Church. We shall pray for them.

    Also, if MacCulloch took a more in-depth look at historical patterns connected with cause and effect, he would correctly acknowledge that the Church will endure and prevail…just as Christ promised (Matthew 16:18).

  39. The smoke of Satan which has entered into the church is now wreaking havoc just like it had in the Espicopalian Church

  40. John D Germain

    There is much disagreement about Vatican II, but the council did write documents, so everything the council intended is written down. In time people will forget what was done that wasn’t written, then the written documents will be all there is of the council, and the church will finally follow what the documents say. Those who have read them know the difference between the actual council and the false spirit of the council that did many things not intended. Reasonable people can read and follow, dissidents read and interpret to there liking. We need to read and just do what it says, period, nothing more and nothing less.

  41. I’m going to have to agree with the great majority of other posts here. I can’t speak as to Europe so much but only as to the United States. Here the Spirit of Vatican II ‘Catholics’ are aging out and being replaced by far more traditional priests and religious orders. John Paul II and Benedict XVI speak of renewal not schism. I’ll take their understanding over the opinions of some Anglican ‘historian’ of whom I’ve never heard. Will there be some dissidents who leave the Church? Yes, but that isn’t schism but a pruning away of withered branches.

  42. Schism? It has already been predicted that the church will become smaller yet holier.Those who leave do so because they refuse to accept the church position on married clergy,”gay”marriage,abortion,contracetion and women priests.The only one that the church could change and I hope they do not is the allowing of priests to marry.Who will support a priest and his wife and children..the people who put a dollar in the basket?It’s funny how it seems the supposed Catholics that come only on holidays or days when they’re recieving something(palms,ashes)or only for their childrens sacrements and you never see them again,,are the ones who the media always seems to find to interview,,them and those who have no clue about their faith,,the what and why’s of what we believe.Good riddance to them..or pray for their conversion to the truth.Whatever the case..what will be will be..God promised that the gates of hell shall never prevail against her..so whats the worry?

  43. Michael Seaman

    So another left-wing academic thinks the Catholic Church, and its popes, is too conservative. And this is news? Let him rant and attract attention to his left-wing text. The Catholic Church is fine. By the way, all those who demand female priests in the Catholic Church are free to leave since this will never happen.

  44. The Vatican cannot ordain women as priests. Women are not to lead men, in a parish, or in the home. Women can serve as deacons, a service-oriented church role. But not as ordained ministers that lead men.

    With that said, mandated celibacy for priests is only a man-made practice, and it could change tomorrow. The role for women in the institutional church is as a priest’s wife, and as a (non-ordained) church leader of other women, and of children.

    Note: If St. Peter wanted to enter a Latin rite seminary today, he would be refused, because he was married. End mandated celibacy for ordained men: priests, bishops and popes. Just like in the New Testament, they should be allowed to marry a woman, if they choose.

  45. A schism she said? Wonderful! The way out’s door is wide open to those who dissent with the bimillenary teachings of the catholic Church.
    If the RCC could last for more than 2 thousands years while many kingdoms, republics and empires disappeared that is certainly due to Her divine essence, justly because She is the Church of Christ, the Son of God. As such She is set to stay the same as She was founded by Jesus until the End of Times.
    After decades of disorders, confusion, heresies, blasphemies and irreverences let’s hope the Church will become again our beloved Holy Mother, more pious and fervent than ever.

  46. Wonderful to read all these comments from those who so love Christ’s church. My heart soars in solidarity with you all.

  47. I am a revert. I was born and raised Catholic but left for about 20 years. Life kicked the living daylights out of me and I learned the hard way the wonderful news that the Church (the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic) Church is right. It wasn’t welcome news at first–but I am so glad to be back. And I am very happy to say that many of the people in the pews and at the pulpits have changed. What I have returned to is a smaller, but more earnest Church. The noisy liberals (and I mean liberal in the theological sense) are still protesting, but for the most part I am finding much more solid teaching and faith than I did in the past.

    I also am very proud of our current Bishops! They have been remarkably unified in identifying and counteracting the recent attacks on religious liberty by the US government. They have shown a great deal of courage and I am grateful for/to them.

    I am also very grateful for Caritas Japan’s response to the earthquake/tsunami disasters here in Japan.

    I wonder if Mr. Macculloch knows anything about the ordinariate that the Pope has set up for Anglicans who wish to return into communion with Rome? I think that is a wonderful thing. The best Catholics are former prostestants. (The worst Catholics become protestants. ;-) Or they become “spiritual, not religious”, as I did.)

    If we do lose some because they don’t actually believe as the Church teaches, what is the loss? I think it would be a sign that the Church was doing something wrong if everyone was happy and agreed with it. Someone always hates the Truth. The Truth said He came as a sign of contradiction. He said that families would be divided on His account. Some people hate the Catholic Church? Praise God, they must be doing something right!

    I pray that our Lord’s prayer from John 17 comes to be–that we may all be one. I hope that Mr. MacCulloch comes to join us.

  48. We should all pray our Holy Father can maintain his strength in mind and body in order to guide the Church through these troubled times of confusion and doubt which modern society has brought upon itself. Not only our nation but the whole world is awash in a sea of sin and corruption which needs the strong hand of unwavering faith and Divine Providence with which he, the Holy Spirit and the prayers of the faithful must defend the Church from complete destruction.

  49. Stephen round

    What needs to be done is this.Incidently this anglican historian needs to deal with his own house.But to the CAtholic hierachy I would suggest that every diocese set up a good clear Exit policy.Quit claiming figures that are not true.I f in fact someone one wants to leave give them the paperwork and let him go.Seek your salvation elsewhere and good luck.Those that are truly believers in the Catholic truth.YOU cant make the high jump we are not going to lower the bar for you.Remember the Alamo.YEah the Hierachy screwed up.Who hasnt.probably did what they thought best at the time.Bad choices.With the Alamo Col Travis drew his line in the sand your free to go.Good clear concise Exit policy.Who wants the Luke warm the c and es the come get married and leave the baptize my baby and leave.No if thats what you are be true to what you are and leave.Grow up and get off the fence

  50. @Diane’s remark, ” the Pope will never paganize the Church. End of discussion.”

    You should go to your library and read a book called “The Paganism In Our Christianity” and then tell me the Catholic popes didn’t bring paganism into the ancient church… Peter would be appalled. Anyway, Jesus also said that not all who professed to be his followers REALLY were. (Matthew 7:15-23) He said, “by their fruits you will recognize those men”. The whole world “recognizes” what the church hierarchy is in view of centuries of abuse of “the flock in their care”… She is part of “Babylon the Great” (Revelation ch.17) and will be completely destroyed by God himself. (hopefully soon)

  51. This is absurd. This academic views the Church through a secular lens, not realizing that the Church, although filled with sinners, is a divine institution. It cannot ordain women, even if a pope personally wanted to. It’s a theological impossibility–like a pregnant man.
    Ontologically, a priest can only be a man because he images Christ, the bridegroom, who marries the Church in the mass, wherein he, the priest, says, “This is my body.” Study spousal theology, via Theology of the Body. Such articles are a folly and the editors show how uneducated they are by taking such works seriously.

  52. Before attacking the historian, it would be prudent to go to the originally more laconic and circumspect June 11 [!] CNS interview, “British historian: Church has not learned from abuse in past centuries” at http://www.catholicnews.com/data/briefs/cns/20120614.htm. It is a daunting job of form and redaction criticism to untangle the actual statements of this renowned Church historian from what the interviewer (Jonathan Luxmoore?) thinks or states Professor MacCulloch said.

  53. John C Powers

    The greater possibiity is the 900 US Nuns who are meeting this week and who are discussing their response to Rome over the Pope’s inventigatory team looking into their dissidence. THIS COULD BE EXPLOSIVE.

  54. The Church, the Body of Christ, is and always has been the Orthodox Catholic Church, commonly known now in the West as the Eastern Orthodox Church. The schism that ultimately brought about the Reformation, and which ultimately caused all the hand-wringing everyone is commenting on, grew over several centuries and came to a formal break in 1054 with the Great Schism. Any “schism” currently brewing in the Roman Catholic church is ultimately an aftershock and result of the original, nearly a thousand years ago. If some future Holy Father and Magisterium embrace the views of the “enlightened” European Catholic progressives, there will be no alternative for those who profess the true, Apostolic Christian faith other than to go eastward.

  55. So, we need to become Anglicans? Because woman priests and married clergy has been so successful in passing on the deposit of faith!

    There will be no schism, what he is talking about is apostasy, and although SOME, may trickle out of the Holy Catholic Church into various forms of liberal Protestantism, far more are just trickling out of Christianity all together, because its really about autonomy from God’s law and any institution that might dare challenge you to obey that law.

    Of course he completely ignores the American phenomenon of those who are entering communities that are much more strict about their adherence to the morality of Christianity that the Church teaches, but many Catholics do not practice. Also, the reality of thousands of Christian converts in every other part of the world who adhere to traditional judeochristian morality.