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It's hard to find a person who doesn't have a strong opinion about today's double wins for gay marriage rights at the Supreme Court. Here is reaction from religious leaders who rejoice at the decisions, and from others disappointed in the court's action. We also hear from the religiously unaffiliated.

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    • It must be saddening to see your god become more and more obsolete every day…..when we can clone a human from the DNA of a gay couple, will you weep even more or cry out, “my god my god, why have you forsaken my benighted beliefs?”

      • We cannot clone humans. We’ve tried multiple times yet it always fails. There are no other equations to being able to recreate life through artificial means. If nature is doing it right who are we to mess with it? As a human race we’ve done more to disrupt earths processes than to help. Do you really think human reasoning is sound and logical? For as long as human history has been around we’ve never been able to solve our most basic problems. So involving two same sex people together is considered a way to encourage human equality, where do we draw the line now? Natures intention was for a male and female. Simple as that. Just because you feel something should be right doesn’t mean it is.

        • David Thompson

          In the first place you don’t draw the line, it evolves and has always evolved. And if you don’t think things are better than they were 100 years ago then you must be living in a hole. Science and it’s spine-off technology have done more for the world in the last 350 years than all the time before it.

          Can we clone someone today? Perhaps not, but we will, because we will have the technology. And if it can happen it will happen. That’s progress. Will we make mistakes. You bet, but we will improve.

          These bronze age, iron age, and medieval imaginary friends will always fail to materialize. Why? Because they are imaginary!

          Year after year religious evangelicals whine: The sky is falling, the sky is falling. The great apocalypse is coming. Jesus is going to return like Superman and save the day for the “SAVED”. Until asteroid or other NATURAL disaster kills everything on this planet, the evangelical fundamentals will be whining.

          Religious people are like an obnoxious brat kid, they just never shut up.

      • Saul,
        God does not change…mankind does. This world has seen the rise and fall of many civilizations. Today’s news just confirms that the American culture is continuing to fall into the same steps of decline of so many before it. Study history and you will see that these issues and their implications are not new…and their consequences are not unknown. Truth exists independently of opinion or the decisions of nine in robes. You can hate it, you can deny it, but it does not matter.

        • David Thompson

          Imaginary things always remain imaginary, no matter what you believe. All nations rise and fall. The US like most other great nations in history have overextended its Imperial ambitions and will pay the consequence for that over generations.

          But we can be comfortably happy in knowing there is nothing but nature. Why? Because there has been zero evidence for anything other than nature. No miracles. No unexplained demons and no imaginary friends becoming real. There’s unbelievable new things to learn, but they will come as a part of nature. If I am wrong, I would love to see it and examine it, but until then it’s just evolution of people, culture, and technology. .

      • They did talk about chastity. I guess this means that Christians don’t have to worry about sex anymore. Seriously, the needy are in greater need than knowing who’s sleeping with who.

      • God has not been diminished in the least. His truth will prevail and there is nothing anyone can to to prevent it. Sorry but your position is a guaranteed losing one.

        I am sad for our country, especially future generation who will have to live in a society that is in swift decline.

  1. Yay for equality. To those who believe they speak for God – you do not!
    How dare you try to deny others their rights. True Christians would extend
    love to all – not just the select few.

  2. If your god cares more about what we do with our genitalia than helping starving or tortured children, then your god is a horrible person. Only a monster would stand by and let children be hurt if they had the knowledge and ability to stop it. And only a special kind of evil would ignore these things, yet freak out when two men or two women fall in love.

  3. The Catholic Church sometimes refers to itself metaphorically as “holy mother church.” Leaving aside the telling fact that the Church admits no women to positions of influence or authority, the hierarchy might find it enlightening to learn what real mothers with children can teach us, what real parental love can mean as far as gay women and men are concerned.

    Mother and fathers react in different ways when they learn that their child is homosexual. Some are saddened or shocked by the news. Being gay is not necessarily something they would have wanted for their child or expected. Perhaps they don’t understand why or what it means. Some may wish that it were not true. Incredibly in 2013, there are even some parents who reject the child for religious, social or other reasons.

    But after the initial confusion or shock, many parents respond to their gay child with love. And since love is, among other things, a way of knowing it can lead to new understanding. It can allow parents to learn from their daughters and sons, to see the world through their eyes and their experience. It prompts them to question old assumptions and values. Love has the power to transform them.

    The same is true for other family members, friends, neighbors and colleagues. Knowing and caring about someone who is gay changes you. That is because you know in the deepest way possible that your sister or friend or uncle is a good, decent person because you know them through love. You know them as a human being and understand that being gay is part of who they are.

    This explains the big change in attitudes towards homosexuality and gay marriage. The whole conversation shifts radially when it’s my brother, daughter or friend that you are talking about. Judgments about being “intrinsically disordered” or “evil” or a “threat to traditional marriage” are seen to be the neurotic projections or cruel distortions that they are.

    The people who honor the humanity of gay people are doing so not because they are being trendy or have succumbed to relativistic morals. They do so because they themselves have become more human in the very finest sense of the word.

    And so when a religious leader says in reference to gay people as New York’s Cardinal Dolan did recently on television, “I love you, too,” it’s hard to know what he means. In the context of his Church’s teaching and actions that cause real pain and damage to gay people, that statement sounds grotesque. In this context, Holy Mother Church is a mean mother.

    But it makes you wonder. Are any of the bishops close to someone who is gay? Do they love a gay woman or man as a friend? Could they look such a person in the eyes and say, “I love you. But it is sinful for you to show your love to someone with your full humanity, to express it sexually with tenderness and affection?”

    And this is the essential fault in the Church’s teaching about homosexuality: It is heartless and inhuman. And now many people, including many Catholics, know and understand this.

    The hierarchy and priests take a solemn vow to live a life without physical affection, romantic love or intimacy. Perhaps this void in their human experience explains whey they can only talk about gay sex but never about gay love. In seeing homosexuals as being “intrinsically disordered,” they are denying the possibility that there can be such a thing as gay love. In this respect, the Church is heartless and dehumanizes homosexuals.

    The good cardinal and his fellow prelates look at gay men and women and see intrinsic disorder and talk about sinful sex. Happily, real mothers and fathers and more and more people look at this same group and see fellow human beings and talk about love and equality.

    Holy Mother Church needs to love the way real mothers do.

  4. The main reason that same-sex marriage won is because no secular argument against it has gained any traction. How does same-sex marriage threaten the viability and survival of the state? Also, how can America forget a God they have never put their collective trust into in the first place? America is a product of the Enlightenment, which was seen as an antidote to the relgious wars of Europe in previous centuries. The “natural law” argument fails because it excludes God since belief in Him would also be considered “unnatural”: Such an argument makes marriage a man-made institution that is subject to revision. Desacrilization of marriage? Adultery and divorce have already done that. How does allowing two men to marry each other affect a heterosexual couple’s marriage? As for “Biblical” marriage: Do we really want to bring back polygamy, women as tradable property, and concubines? That is what the fathers in the Bible pacticed.

  5. When referencing the Orthodox Jewish institutional reaction, you would have done better to cite the second part of the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America (OU), the main American centrist Orthodox group of synagogues: “We also recognize that no religion has the right to dictate its beliefs to the entire body politic and we do not expect that secular law will always align with our viewpoint. Ultimately, decisions on social policy remain with the democratic process, and today the process has spoken and we accord the process and its result the utmost respect.” By putting that next to the statement of Agudath Israel and calling the Aguda a “national Jewish organization,” rather than pointing out that it is in fact ultra-Orthodox or haredi, you equate its position with the OU’s. In fact, the OU statement was pretty sanguine in context: we disagree but it’s ok.

  6. The truth of God’s Word is of no value to the Western word.Please,hold it there and bring it not to Nigeria,for we stand for the truth that guides humanity, which is the BIBLE.

  7. There is nothing wrong with encouraging the acceptance homosexuality and bisexuality in society. It certainly won’t hurt anyone. It should be seen as normal and equal to heterosexuality, because it is! A huge benefit to society is that same-sex couples can adopt babies to give them a loving home and family.

  8. Being a gay teen I am honored that the justices did not only me but my fellow gay brothers and sisters a justice by showing that bigoted, demeaning acts are not allowed to keep a foothold in a free country. God bless America thank you judges I love you.

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