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VATICAN CITY (RNS) With a rare, if not unprecedented, move, Francis has rekindled a years-old debate in Catholic circles, with some asking whether miracles are really needed for sainthood anymore.

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  1. You say “But it has happened in the past that what was considered a miracle has been later explained by science”.

    Please provide one case of a “certified” miracle that has later been explained by science. Not contested, but explained.

    • The “miracle” of creation (the churches own words) has been proven by science to have not taken place in 6 days. Nor were the animals, man, plants etc. created in either of the two different versions as described in the bible.

  2. Vatican’s chief “spokesman” says, “no one doubts his (John23) virtues.” Uh, guess again. There are a ton of people who doubt it because Roncalli was short on virtue and long on promoting sillonism and communism. Does the Pact of Metz ring a bell where J23 in writing agreed to no longer condemn the evil of communism, all for the pieces of silver of the KGB attending V2 in the person of two Russian Orthodox.

    Realize how many Catholics and priests were killed behind the iron curtain from that moment on. Forget that Our Lady warned against Communism spreading its errors to the world.

    Roncalli’s aggiornamento opened wide the door for satan to march right in with his hammer & sickle in one hand and pitchfork in the other. The last true pope was His Holiness Pope St. Pius X. Compare his virtues to the Modernist ‘popes’ of the CONciLIAR era. No contest.

    Oh, and don’t even get me started on Escriva! When the truth finally comes out you will realize Heaven is a long way from where Jose is! Pray for a return to the true Catholic Church for the Vatican 2 church is the very tree that Christ referred to in St. Matthew 7: 15-21 as the one bearing bad fruit. We all know where that’s headed, as well as many who have bought into the progressivism of the dangerous and devastating Second Vatican Council creed. Let’s be frank. Modernist Rome’s real intent is to canonize Vatican 2, because they know God would not!

  3. Correction: In 3rd paragraph I wrote: “The last true pope… It should be the last true pope to be made a saint…

    Because, obviously, Papa Pio Sarto was not the last true pope. That title would go to Pope Pius XII as the last true pope. Hopefully, when the Church has a true Pope again who upholds all Catholic doctrine they will take up his cause. The fact the counterfeit church of conciliarism has not is really a great blessing!

    Speaking of Papa Pacelli, see his decree “Sacramentum Ordinis” which verifies that anyone ordained in Paul 6′s new rite were not fully ordained and therefore cannot confect the sacrament nor truly have the power to absolve sin in the confessional. That is tragic when you realize any priest “ordained” since 1978 is NOT a true priest!

    If that doesn’t scare you straight to search for priests ordained in the Sacrament of Holy Orders by true Bishops as established and set in stone by the dogmatic infallible Council of Trent, then read Christ’s words in St. Matthew 24, especially vs. 15 “abomination of desolation” and realize that is the very Novus Ordo Missae!

    Then read 2 Thessalonians 2: 3-11 and realize what “to believe a lie” means. I tell you this because of St. Paul’s words in 2 Thessalonians 2: 14 to “stand fast, and hold the traditions which you have learned”. Also read 2 Timothy 4: 3-4 and realize I’m writing this out of Paul’s entreaty in 2 Timothy 4: 2 and 5. And if you still aren’t convinced, read Apocalypse 3: 15-16, then look in the mirror and say the Act of Faith to yourself, paying attention to the words: “I believe these and ALL the truths which the holy Catholic Church teaches because Thou hast revealed them, Who canst neither deceive nor be deceived.” If you feel you’ve been deceived over the past 55 years, realize it isn’t Our Lord Who has deceived you, but the robber barons spawned through Vatican 2 who have eclipsed the True Church.

  4. As Pius XII languishes, the Vatican says “Miracles? We don’t need no stinkin miracles. We do what we want, when we want and how we want. Tradition and confirmation be damned.”.

  5. Miracles …. no. However, how about 100 years after the person’s death before the decision for sainthood is made.

    If that person’s reputation and actions can’t stand the test of time, then the cause is not proven.

  6. As per the catholic believe saints should live in heaven. So in this case dose francis go to heaven to check whether these 2 popes are in heaven for him to grant sainthood for them ?????? Also we have never heard fire in heaven except in hell….. So John Paul II appearing on fire (just type “John Paul II in fire” in google) can be a sign to say he is burning in hell for sin he did when he was alive ???????? Catholic Church & Catholic teaching abusing true word of Jesus Christ as per their will like they changing the rules & criteria of sainthood as per above article………….. So owners of Catholic Churches who miss using & miss leading innocent people in the name of Jesus Christ for sure shouldn’t burn in hell ??????? Shouldn’t it be the correct punishment for those thieves ???????

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