ROME (RNS) In an unusually informal video made on a smartphone held by a Pentecostal pastor, Pope Francis called on all Christians to set aside their differences, explaining his “longing” for Christian unity.

Screen Shot 2014-02-20 at 1.45.14 PMThe seven-minute video, which was posted on YouTube, was made during a Jan. 14 meeting with Anthony Palmer, a bishop and international ecumenical officer with the independent Communion of Evangelical Episcopal Churches. Italian news reports say that the pope and Palmer knew each other when Francis served as the archbishop of Buenos Aires.

In his remarks, part of a 45-minute video, Francis said, in Italian, that all Christians are to blame for their divisions and that he prays to the Lord “that he will unite us all.”

“We should move forward. We are brothers. We should give each other a spiritual embrace and open ourselves to letting the Lord complete the work he started,” Francis said.

“I never saw the Lord start a miracle without finishing it,” the pontiff added, quoting 19th-century Italian writer Alessandro Manzoni. “And he will finish this miracle of Christian unity.”

He concluded by saying it doesn’t matter who’s to blame for divisions among Christians: “Who is at fault? All of us are. We are all sinners. There is only one who is right, and that is our Lord.”

Francis’ remarks are preceded by a discourse from Palmer, who also spoke, in English, about the need for Christian unity. “Brothers and sisters, Luther’s protest is over,” Palmer said, referring to the 16th-century German reformer Martin Luther.

The video is unusual in part because it was made and released in such an informal manner. Most information released about the pontiff comes from the Vatican press office or some other official church agency. The Vatican went so far as to warn pope watchers in January that information about the pope found on other sources was probably untrue — though in this case the veracity of the video is guaranteed by seeing the pope himself on camera.

Video courtesy of MICHAEL GOMES via YouTube

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55 Comments

  1. The Pope’s comments are both hopeful and problematic. Hopeful that all Christians might become one some day. However, as long as the Pope does not recognize my Christian baptism, which was done in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and as long as I am prohibited from approaching the Catholic altar for communion, we will always be divided.

    • Dear Gerald,

      One quick point of correction: The Catholic Church explicitly recognizes baptisms done by other Christians if they were performed “in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit”, following the command of Jesus. Your baptism is recognized.

      As for Communion, I share your longing, it is a very big deal. I have hope that if we keep praying and working, we’re going to see this resolved. I believe Pope Francis would be quite the candidate for getting this worked out. Pray for him as he asked us to!

      • Thanks, Therese! It would appear that for me to be able to approach the altar for communion would require that I be more than a Christian. I suspect that the truth of the matter is that if I were to be confirmed a Catholic, that would solve the problem. I would then be “more than a (Baptized) Christian.” And if all Protestants were to convert and be confirmed as Catholics, then we’d have unity. I simply don’t believe that more can be required of me than what I already am. I accept that the Catholic Church can require more than my being a fully baptized Christian: I do understand that to be member of any club, you have to abide by the rules of that club. But, I’m truly sad that I’m still deficient in the Pope’s eyes to participate fully in the body and blood of Jesus. And only he can change that…it has to be more than a hope. He has that power. Again, thanks!

        • Dear Gerlad,

          I say the following with love, charity and as a “cradle Catholic” who for many years had reservations about the authority of the Church and it’s leaders. This of course while doing absolutley nothing to try and understand the teachings of the Catholic Church. A well known Bishop in the 60’s by the name of Fulton J Sheen said “There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.”

          Certain unexpected events evantually lead to my study of what the Church teaches and why it teaches it. Most of my answers came from studying what the post Apostolic Christian Community looked like. In a nutshell, doctrinally, the Church does not look any different than what it looks like today.

          The following is a quote from a bishop in Antioch (Ignatius of Antioch) in 107A.D. which is the same place where Paul and Barnabas (Acts 11:26) taught and where the term “Christian” was first used.

          “Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.” (The Epistle of Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans)

        • I hope that the church has no parallel correlation with being a club or some pure ideal democratic system of governing, but rather rooted in its founder foundation Jesus Christ and the early church fathers through the holy spirit who gave it the interpretation of truth maintaining this truth across the centuries has been a challenge for the Roman Catholic Church, Unfortunately Pilot said “What is truth — maybe truth found him, I don’t know because certainly the Lord is Kind and merciful and full of redemption, however we all want our version of truth to set us on course. I pray for unity and I don’t want to change Christ according to my ideal relativism. Sorry for not being more kind, loving and charitable. I do hope that it does have a measure of them eventually

        • Gerald, but do you believe in the Real Presence of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar? This is central to Catholic belief as per Chapter 6 of John when the first Protestants were mentioned who disbelieved in the Real Presence.

        • Gerald & Andrew it seems to me both you men seek to be in fellowship with the Lord and seek to follow His teachings. I wrestle with the communion issue too. History teaches us that the division over How to take communion “properly” hundreds of thousands who wore the name of Christ killed each other. We are less violent today over the issue but the divide still defies the prayer of Jesus in John for us to be one.

          The key might just be not HOW but too WHOM it is done. Must we obey ALL the Laws of communion by All the denoms out their who are right and all others wrong? Whine or Grape juice? Unleavened or not?
          Once a week, daily, monthly? Who gives it to you? One cup or many?
          Sadly these question continue to divide us. As well meaning as they may be we can in our heart be convinced of how “right” we do and how wrong “they” are and then approach the fellowship with Jesus with smugness and judgment for our brothers and sisters who we are sure are wrong. Paul I think gives us warning in this area when he says “IF you have something between a brother and yourself make it right before you take the unity agreement of fellowship with Christ. The heart is the one thing I am sure Paul says Jesus wants to fellowship with. It being a religious practice or even call it a sacrament and how it is done, when,
          what type of blood and body are not what is in the heart or should not be of those who seek to “Eat” (be one with) Christ.

          Gerald I am sure you could go into almost any Catholic church and take communion with them and they would not deny you this unless you demanded it of them. Andrew can you judge the heart of a man who kneels beside you to take communion? Is their heart less important than their “understanding” of what is going to happen to the wine and bread? To a man found with believers in 60AD Rome down below the arena floor waiting his death by wild animals and being told of Jesus by believers and they say to him. Well too bad we can’t baptize you or take communion with you and get you saved because we have not the proper equipment nor the right people to get it done but we just wanted you to know about Jesus and how you missed out. I think they would of shared their testimony and then as a group took as best they could with pure hearts their last communion on earth together not worrying about what “rules” or “new laws” they were breaking.

          Perhaps if you too guys were awaiting death together (you are) and were excited about seeing Jesus soon a lot of that stuff that would divide you in not for your appointment with death would not be as important to you as you now think. A dead man has not rights and we all have died to Christ to live anew for Him. What type of Christ do you want to live for and share with others? Is your Christ big enough to handle our foolishness as we try to put ourselves back into a new bondage of new laws? Embrace Love and unity and let the one who has the power to judge do the judging. Embrace in a communion of forgiveness, mercy and as one forgiven much and in need of more forgiveness. In that we all have unity. We will continue to strive after just as Paul did. Embrace the Love Paul reveals by the Holy Spirit in 1 Cor 13 before we hurl a rule based law keeping stone at another Christ died for. Agape

        • Hi All, I wanted to address the issue of communion. It is consubstation vs. transubstatiation. Many protestant faiths believe in communion as a symbol of the body and blood of Christ. The Catholic Church believes in the full presence of Christ in the Eucharist. We differ from many religions in this
          respect. Our Eastern right brothers and
          sisters do have the same beliefs as the
          Catholic Church in regards to
          communion so they are able to receive
          Eucharist. It is not an effort to exclude
          other faiths but rather the an effort to
          ensure the full understanding that it is
          Jesus offered in sacrifice each time you
          receive. In addition many Churches give blessing when you go up to Communion with arms crossed at your Church showing that you cannot receive at that time. In our eyes you are still recieving when you obtain the blessing. The host cannot be dropped or chewn so our method of receipt may differ-on this i am not as knowledgable of other faiths. Please refer to the Catechism of the Catholic Church for further information on the doctorine.

      • Scripture defines God’s true church are those who love and obey Him. God, the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ speak and act in unity with one another. It is written that anything spoken not according to His word is against it, referred to as anti-Christ. Everything we hear concerning God is to be checked with scripture and if anyone speaks not according to His word, scripture reveals there is no light in them. The Bible does not contradict itself. We are to come out of confusion and be one with Christ as He is one with the Father. God said, I change not. This is God’s word not mine, please do not hold it for moderation.

    • My understanding of participating in the sacrament of communion is that if you can accept that Holy Communion is indeed the body and blood of Jesus, then you can partake. As Catholics this is what we believe.

      When Jesus took bread at the last supper, broke it, gave it to his disciples and said this is my body. He did not say, this is a reasonable artifact. Same goes for the wine.

    • Gerald, what makes you think your Christian baptism would not be recognized by Catholics? In general, the Catholic Church does recognize all valid baptisms, and yours sounds valid.

      Yes, it’s true non-Catholics are not invited to receive communion, because, in general they don’t believe that the bread and wine become the body and blood of Jesus. If you do believe that, maybe you, as an individual, could be admitted. Ask a local priest about that if it’s something you sincerely desire.

    • Non-Catholics should not be offended if they ever attend a Catholic Mass for a funeral or wedding of their friends and are not able to receive Holy Communion. For Catholics, the Eucharist is not a symbol like so many other Christians believe, but it is rather what Jesus says it is… truly His Body and Blood physically present under the appearance of bread and wine. Receiving Holy Communion means that we accept Christ completely… and are united to His Church, His Body, by means of this communion and believe everything that He has passed on to us through His Church. If it is just a symbol, that it really isn’t that important to receive anyway as we can just be united to Christ spiritually by an act of Faith. But if it is truly the Body and Blood of Christ and you authentically believe this, then shouldn’t you really consider becoming a Catholic so that you can receive Him physically?

      In John’s gospel, Jesus summarized the reasons for receiving Communion when he said:

      “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food, and my blood is real drink. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me. This is the bread which came down from heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever” (John 6:53–58).

      “And when He had taken some bread and given thanks, He broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” Lk 22:19

      “He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” Jn 6:54

      “Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly.” 1Cor11:27-29

      Catholic Answers Who Can Receive Communion?

      http://www.catholic.com/tracts/who-can-receive-communion

      • I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic school all my life, and being in my sixties was a part of the Church during the 2nd Vatican Council. During that time many things we were taught that were sinful were changed and no longer sins. It was a difficult time, Eight years ago we joined the Baptist Church. I still believe in the Catholic Church. I believe in praying for the intervention of the Saints (Most Baptists don’t) I still pray the Hail Mary (Baptists don’t). I believe that in the Catholic Church, communion is a sacrament in which the host is changed into the body of Christ and is sacred. In the Baptist Church it is a replica of such.I am Baptist, not because I don’t believe in the Catholic Church but because it is through the Baptist church that I found a true and meaningful relationship with Jesus Christ. Through Bible Study, worship and sermons based on Biblical teachings I have learned more in 8 years that a lifetime of Catechism teachings. I love going to church. I truly love the message and the teachings I get from the Word. I embrace the entire Baptist package. I have been saved, born again through baptism after salvation and do not drink, gamble, smoke or have other human vices. Because I do still love the Catholic Church and believe in everything it teaches, am baptized and have been confirmed in the Catholic Church, I see no reason I should not receive communion when attending the Catholic Church. If there is a reason pleaser let me know because Bapotolic is the best of both worlds and I am a “Child of the One True King” in either,

        • Janice (Leeson) Knisely

          What you learned about the catholic church was what you learned as a teenager. I went to a weekend retreat (and there were a couple woman who were just like you in another faith but wanted to find out what the church teaches now especially as an adult) The retreat is called Christ’s Renews His Parish. You spend the entire weekend listening to witnesses and other women who have been through many experiences. You learn about the depth of our faith and deep close relationship that we have with Our Lord just like the saints did. Ask around and try to find one of these retreats (usually in March and Sept) and attend. You aren’t going to be pressured in anyway. Because it is between you and God and Our Lord.

    • Like so many (too many) you are not informed what the Catholic Church really teaches. The Catholic Church recognizes if some one is baptized in a Protestant Church by an ordained priest. If the priest is not ordained (the chain of ordination needs to be traced back to the apostle Peter who received the power directly from Jesus) you are considered baptized, but not in the proper way that Jesus established, therefore not accepted by the Universal (Catholic) church.

      • By the way, Catholic believe that in an emergency when there is no priest any baptized christian can baptized, since the catholic church understands that baptism erases original sin, therefore one should follow fully what the Father’s house wants in the Lord Jesus, to teach them all that Jesus Commands

      • Janice (Leeson) Knisely

        Christian,
        As you say the priest must be ordained in the proper way. If he is ordained properly and the person is baptized in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit in a non catholic church and they go through RCIA (Rite of Christian initiation) then they do not have to be baptized by the priest on Easter Sunday if they should decide to join.

        • Janice (Leeson) Knisely

          I am sorry I left out on my note to Christian that if a person is baptized by another church that baptizes in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit they are baptized. I miss read what Christian said.

    • Vivian Ruth Sawyer

      Actually, your baptism IS recognized! The Roman Catholic Church does not require any additional baptism is one has been baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Yes, the RC Church does still have closed communion — they are not alone. Missouri Synod Lutherans and many others also have closed communion.

      The point is, are we going to focus on our differences, or be obedient to Jesus, and try to find all that unites us? As long as we are in agreement about the creeds, Apostles’, Nicene and Athanasian, we can move forward, away from disunity and toward unity — and to comfort Jesus’ heart, we should. And I am, and will. Praying others will join us!

    • Janice (Leeson) Knisely

      Gerald I don’t know where you have heard that the church will not recognize your baptism done in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit because there are thousands in America in our churches who attended the Rite of Catholic initiation and there baptisms were were recognized because it was done in the manner that you have mentioned. All you have to do is go through the RCIA program (9 months of education about the church) and then if you decide to join on Easter Sunday you would be accepted into the church and because you were baptized in the manner above you would not have to go through baptism. Only confirmation and the Eucharist.

    • Gerald,

      There are only two Christian baptisms, of which I am aware, that the Catholic church does not recognize as valid sacraments. Those would be from the Unitarian Universalist Church and the Mormon Church. Unitarian (nor Mormons, I believe) do not believe in the Trinity while I believe that all other Christian church do. I believe that there are few other reasons why Mormon baptisms are not valid. Others (a few being Baptist, all Protestant religions, Methodist and others) are completely valid.

      To attend Holy Communion in the Catholic Church, one must be in full communion with Catholic teaching. Even a Catholic in a state of mortal sin is not permitted to receive communion. To receive Communion while in a state of mortal sin is also a mortal sin. If someone is in full communion with the Catholic Church, then they would also believe that Holy Communion is the true (actual) Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ (see “Transubstantiation” http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Transubstantiation?s=t ). It is not just some sort of symbol. This is why non-Catholics are not allowed to receive Holy Communion. If such a non-Catholic did believe this (about Holy Communion), then they would be bound to work towards entering the Catholic Church (like through the RCIA courses) (Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults)…. because the Catholic Church is the only Christian religion of which this is true.

      So a non-Catholic Christian should not feel as if they are lesser people because they are not permitted Catholic Holy Communion…. It is simply because they do not believe the Holy Communion (the Eucharist) is what the Catholic Church says it is. Incidentally, Catholics (by Catholic teaching) are not permitted to receive communion at other Christian churches either.

      Ed

    • The Catholic Church recognizes most baptisms. My brother who was baptized Catholic but later joined themBaptist church had to re re baptized! The Baptist did not recognize hismCatholic baptism!

    • Hi Gerald,

      I am a Christian,

      With al reality and respect to ALL catholics I say this.
      The Catholic religion has its own doctrine example
      Using the Virgin Mary Mother of Jesus as a mediator. The Bible says ” 1 Timothy 2:5 ” For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; KJV…
      I there are MORE like Purgatory Where in the bible does it Talk about that? There are ALOT of questions on where they get their believes.. I FEAR THE LORD AND DONT WISH TO FOLLOW A BELIVE THAT DOES NOT COINCIDE WITH God’s TRUE WORD..

      I am truly sorry if I offended anyone but Jesus is FIRST!!

  2. I am Catholic (former Protestant) and I am so moved by the pope’s gesture. I was often too harsh with my fellow Protestant brothers and sisters after I became Catholic, but the pope’s words have changed me too. I really do pray for unity. In so many ways, we have so much in common. I had a Lutheran pastor once tell me that perhaps if we would listen to each other more, we wouldn’t have such theological disagreements.

    Pray for unity.

  3. This video of Protestant ministers in Texas responding so positively to Pope
    Francis shows that the Holy Spirit has been working well during the past 50 years. The standing ovation the pope received is in marked contrast to the Texas meeting of Protestant ministers with John Kennedy in 1960 when the presidential candidate was grilled about his Catholic faith, and the ministers’ concern that he might take orders from the pope if he were elected president. Thanks to the Spirit, we have all come a long way toward better understanding and respect.

    Michael McElwee

  4. Great post, Jenn, but I will add that, to receive worthily, one can have no mortal sin on one’s soul, so the sacrament of Holy Confession must be attained and that requires learning about, understanding, and consenting to the basics of doing that. We’ve all seriously sinned, but the sacrament of confession AKA reconciliation gives us assuredness of having received the Holy Spirit by the kind of reconciliation the prodigal son got–his financial
    inheritance; our eternal one Christ won for us. This is because Christ works
    through the priest, who has the
    authority Christ gave the Apostles, as
    read in any Bible’s Gospel, to forgive
    sins or have the other retain in his name and by the authority Christ gave through the church he established to bd led by the new priesthood for all time.

    As far as not getting to do what those of other faiths get to do, the Mormons don’t allow non-Mormons in their temple and that’s ok by me. I don’t feel entitled.

  5. Sheryl you bring up a good point about learning your faith in the Baptist church and gaining a strong sense of an interpersonal relationship with Christ. We Catholics could learn a lot from our Christian brethren. “For Christ’s body has many parts and the hand can’t say to the foot I don’t need you…” We need each other! Christianity is shrinking in America and Europe and now it is time for us to make amends and learn to love and forgive one another. Our dogmas are not here to divide but strengthen us in our ultimate goal. How can we witness to the world if we persecute each other? Weren’t we (Christians) suppose to be known by our love? So let’s love.

    Thanks,
    Former atheist, now Catholic.
    Brett.

  6. Wake up people, if the Pope isn’t the Antichrist himself, he is the False Prophet and the Catholic Church has always been the Mother of Harlots from Rev 17 KJV. Her daughters are returning to her now. Want proof, watch the video. Come out of her my people!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5Ke7Tn3uOU

    • And the Jesuits are out to take over the world, we didn’t land on the moon, Abraham Lincoln is a Vampire. Yada Yada Yada! As the great reformer once said after he started the reformation and saw what a mess he had created:

      “This one will not hear of Baptism, and that one denies the sacrament, another puts a world between this and the last day: some teach that Christ is not God, some say this, some say that: there are as many sects and creeds as there are heads. No yokel is so rude but when he has dreams and fancies, he thinks himself inspired by the Holy Ghost and must be a prophet.”
      De Wette III, 61. quoted in O’Hare, THE FACTS ABOUT LUTHER, 208.

      “Noblemen, townsmen, peasants, all classes understand the Evangelium better than I or St. Paul; they are now wise and think themselves more learned than all the ministers.”
      Walch XIV, 1360. quoted in O’Hare, Ibid, 209.

      “We concede — as we must — that so much of what they (the Catholic Church) say is true: that the papacy has God’s word and the office of the apostles, and that we have received Holy Scriptures, Baptism, the Sacrament, and the pulpit from them. What would we know of these if it were not for them?”
      Sermon on the gospel of St. John, chaps. 14 – 16 (1537), in vol. 24 of LUTHER’S WORKS,
      St. Louis, Mo.: Concordia, 1961, 304.

      • I am so glad that each of us can worship according to the dictates of our own consciences.. By the way does the Catholic Church still believe in doing penance for sin?

        I don’t think Luther would agree with that…

        • John, The Catholic Church still teaches and practices penance. Reference the CCC sections 1422-1496 for an explanation on this.
          Also in the words of St. Paul to the Philipians; “Therefore, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed me, not only in my presence, but much more now in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”
          Please try to understand this in it’s correct context. The Catholic Church does not teach that salvation depends on one self but rather in one’s continual relationship and cooperation with God’s Grace which is what St. Paul was conveying to the Philipians.
          St. James gives even a clearer understanding.
          “But some one will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith. 19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder. 20 Do you want to be shown, you foolish fellow, that faith apart from works is barren? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar? 22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by works, 23 and the scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness”; and he was called the friend of God. 24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25 And in the same way was not also Rahab the harlot justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so faith apart from works is dead”.

  7. Ruth, which baptism is valid according to you?
    Good people, according to scriptures we’re to be baptised in the “NAME” of the father; son and the holy ghost which is the name of Jesus.
    We only hear of this revelation after Peter who is said to be the first Pope by the Catholics but not had received the Holy spirit whom Jesus Christ told them desciples that He will teach them what to do.

    We don’t see anyone baptised in trinity in the bible. In actual fact there’s no one who can take the bible and teach and teach trinity, except if they decide to use their church doctrinal books. The rudiments of man.

  8. For what it’s worth, “Protestant” is not a religion. Christianity is the religion. Protestant is the “tradition.” Within the Protestant tradition, there are “denominations.” I’m a Protestant, but I don’t really care if the Pope wants to consider me part of an eccleasial community rather than a “church.” For me, that’s a meaningless distinction. “Ecclesia” means “church.” And “community” is probably the best word for what the earliest Christians had. They were a community before they were first called Christians at Antioch. Indeed, there is “community” in God. That’s what the Trinity is about. Why don’t we all just recognize that none of us has all the answers, and that God alone is omniscient. And when we love and forgive one another, we live in Christ together. Isn’t God’s grace and love all that matters ultimately? I think Pope Francis would agree with me.

  9. Truth is important…We shall know the truth and the truth shall set us free. Thy word is truth…those who love not the truth will be lost…
    2 Thessalonians 2:12

  10. Jesus speaking in Matthew 15:8,9: This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth , and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (End of Jesus’ quote.)
    And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, saying with a loud voice, fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: Revelation 14:6-10
    Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. James 1:27
    He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4

  11. nick arroyave

    This is very dangerous. Being Native and a Seventh Day Adventist, we are aware of what has been happening. “You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?” -Matthew 7:16. The RCC has massacred, tortured, raped, and abused all in the name of “God” (the native people of this continent/true Christians in history). I am aware that there are many good, pure people in the church but the system (and many systems along with it) are against Christ in nature. If you would like to know more about that, look up the words “catholic native boarding schools genocide”, or look up the history of the church, you will find many gruesome things. You will also find out that MANY denominational systems (not necessarily all the people) carried out these acts. If they knew better, the bible says love your neighbor as yourself and also that gentiles can know of God as well. Romans 1:20 testifies well to that. I dont believe in unifying. I believe in holding dear what I hold true, and not conforming to what’s popular. Please, read for yourselves in the word and come out of confusion. Many of us are confused, as many are going off of hearsay and what “we think is right.” “These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.” -Acts 17:11

    • Hello Nick,
      Do you also believe that Pope Francis has a Seventh Day Adventist brother?

      Did you know that “The Catholic Church is the largest private provider of care to HIV AIDS patients in the world”
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_HIV/AIDS

      Did you know that Catholic Charities “is one of the largest charities in the United States” and that “Catholic Charities USA is the national office of more than 160 local Catholic Charities agencies nationwide that serve millions of people a year, regardless of their religious, social, or economic backgrounds.”
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Charities_USA

      Did you know that “Freedom of Religion” was first introduced to this country by a Catholic in the 1634 way before the SDA church was established.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_the_United_States

      Did you know that some of the worlds most important scientific discoveries have been made by Catholic clergy and lay people.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Catholic_scientists

      As Mr. Doug Batchelor likes to say: “These are Amazing Facts”

  12. Ibrahim Tirimba

    I too wish we would be united but we can only be united if we believe in God’s church and the principles of God’s true church plus God’s command of the observance of sabbath day. Read Exodus 20:8 on how the sabbath day should be kept-remember its God’s command, 4th command of the 10 commandments. Also read the things that God forbids in his commands most importantly Exodus 20:3-17. From there jump to Galatians 5:19-21 and read furthur the books of Daniel and Reverlation. Now that am speaking to fellow christians i requeast you read Matthew 24:1 onwards to know signs of his coming since they are near than we first believed. I encourage you all to be not only hearers of the word but also doers for thats the only way you can find favour in God and in his kingdom

    • Hello Ibrahim, But some of us are united in one just as our Lord prayed that we would be: “I do not pray for these only, but also for those who believe in me through their word, 21 that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.”
      Our Lord prayed and wills our unity and Paul shows us how to become one:
      “The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? 17 Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread.”
      This is the Eucharist, this is what makes us One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church the Body of Christ.

  13. We need only pray! Unity is from God; disunity, from Satan. Unity isn’t something WE can ever accomplish; but, being from God, it will be accomplished by praying to God Who can and will do it. We only need be in agreement in lifting our hearts to ask Him for it. I pray everyday a wonderful, scriptural prayer for unity:

    O Lord Jesus Christ, whose prayer for Your disciples
    On the eve of the day on which You suffered and
    died for all mankind
    Was that they might be one as You & Your Father are one
    Remove, we beseech You, the barriers
    Unshakeable by us, which hold apart those who bear the
    Christian name, So that there shall be one fold, one Shepherd,
    One faith, One ardent Christiandom,
    Whose prayer & spirit of truth shall be resistless
    And shall avail to win:
    LIGHT for all who sit in the darkness of paganism
    And in the deadlier shadows of light rejected and of militant unbelief
    GOOD MOORING for the doubt-wracked,
    And for those tossed to & fro by the winds of shifting doctrine
    LIBERTY for all who wither and dwindle in the dire captivity of sin
    NEW PENTECOSTAL GRACE from Heaven
    Which will dissolve hatreds, the injustices, and the spirit of the world
    And which will melt all hearts
    And make them one in You
    Who are the Way and the Truth and the Life, That Divine Life
    Wherein the unity of faith will be made perfect in glory
    And love will abide eternally in love. Amen.
    (prayer by Frank Duff who was quite an advocate for Christian unity all his life)

    • Ignacio Silva

      Hello Patti
      Frank Duff was also a devout Catholic and a huge advocate for the role of our Blessed Mother Mary in the Catholic Church. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legion_of_Mary
      In his book “Can We be Saints” he wrote: “Always remember that the truth of Catholic doctrines does not depend on your ability to prove them true. Ten lifetimes would not be long enough to satisfy oneself on every point. The real proof of them lies in the declaration of the Church, which is the pillar and the ground of truth.”
      He also said:
      “Wear openly something Catholic; some little devotional badge or emblem that will mark you as a Catholic, who is not ashamed to be known as one”
      You are correct in saying that Frank was a big advocate for unity and he also knew that this unity comes only in sharing what makes us trully one in Christ, The Eucharist. Frank also wrote a book called “Capharnaum and The Eucharist. Here he writes: “So I put before you as a first argument the fact that the rejection of the Catholic doctrine of the Eucharist has led to chaos among those who rejected it. This argument by itself would not show the Catholic doctrine to be true, but definitely it would prove that the Protestant position is an impossible one. Because chaos cannot be truth.”

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