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(RNS) Many Americans overestimate their Bible knowledge, missing key points on critical issues.

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  1. The Great God Pan

    “[The earlier survey] found the most knowledgeable were atheists and agnostics, Jews and Mormons…”

    Ha! So much for the popular canard that atheists criticize religion from a position of ignorance.

  2. “The Bible encourages the ‘repression of women’….But they’re wrong.”

    I’m surprised to read that. Am I missing a grammatical edit?
    The Bible famously encourages repression of all kinds – especially of women.
    Every time I look I find more examples.

    GOD COMMANDS IT – A Woman Must Marry Her Rapist:
    “If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.” (Deut. 22:28)

    If that does not encourage repression of women
    I don’t know what would.

    But the Bible is so full of hatred toward women, I can’t count them all.
    There are new ones every time I look…

    GENESIS
    2:22 Eve created from Adam’s rib.
    3:16 Eve cursed with painful childbirth and domination by husband.
    4:19 Man marries two wives.
    12:13-19 Abraham prostitutes wife.
    19:1-8 Rape virgin daughters instead of male angels.
    19:26 Lot’s wife turned into pillar of salt for disobeying god.
    19:30-38 Lot impregnates his two daughters while drunk.
    20:2-12 Abraham prostitutes wife – again.
    25:1-6 Keeping many concubines is OK.
    EXODUS
    20:17 Wife as property.
    21:4 Wife and children belong to master.
    21:7-11 OK to sell daughters. Female slaves can be used for sex. Polygamy permitted. Unwanted female slaves can be set “free” without payment of money.
    22:18 Kill witches.

    LEVITICUS
    12:1-8 Childbirth unclean, Women need to make atonement after childbirth.
    15:19-32 Menstruating women are unclean.
    20:10-16 Death penalty for homosexuality and various sexual transgressions.
    21:7 Priests must not marry prostitutes or divorcees.
    21:9 Burn daughters.
    21:13-14 Priest must marry virgin, not “used” woman.

    NUMBERS
    1:2 Census lists only men – women do not count.
    5:11-31 Fidelity test for women only.
    30:1-16 Woman’s vow invalid unless approved by her father or husband.
    31:17-18 Kill all except virgins. Keep virgins for yourselves.
    12 Miriam punished for rebuking Moses.

    DEUTERONOMY
    20:14 Take women, livestock as plunder.
    22:13-21 Stone non-virgin bride.
    22:23-24 Stone rapist and rape victim.
    22:28 Rape victim must marry rapist; rape victim’s father compensated for depreciation of his property.
    25:11-12 Cut woman’s hand for touching foe’s penis.
    24:1-5 Man can “send” wife from HIS house. Man must not marry “used” woman.
    28:18 The FRUIT of your womb will be cursed – eclectic “pro-life” verse!

    JUDGES
    5:30 Women are spoils of war.
    14:20 Samson gives wife to another man.
    16:1 Samson visits prostitute.
    CH 19 Concubine pack-raped and butchered.
    21:10-12 Slaughtered all inc. women and children. Saved virgins for wives.
    21:21 Abducted girls for wives.

    1 SAMUEL
    15:2-3 Attack Amalekites, kill men, women, children and livestock.
    22:19 Kill all inc. infants and livestock.
    21:4-5 Men avoid defilement with women.
    2 SAMUEL
    5:13 David took many wives and concubines.
    CH 13 Ammon rapes his own sister.
    16:21-22 Absalom sleeps with his father’s concubines.
    6:20-23 Mischal punished with bareness.

    1 KINGS
    11:3 Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

    2 KINGS
    9:30-37 Brutal murder of Jezebel.

    2 CHRONICLES
    15:13 Put to death unbelievers.
    11:21 Hoards of wives and concubines.

    ESTHER
    CH 1-2 Queen Vashti dethroned for disobedience; setting “bad” example to all other women.

    PSALMS
    51:5 Sinful since conception.
    127:3 Sons are heritage from god.
    137:9 Seizes infants and dashes them against rocks.

    PROVERBS
    CH 5 Beware of wicked women!
    CH 7 More of the above.
    6:24 As above.
    31:3 Do not waste strength on women.

    ISAIAH
    3:16-26 Lord punishes haughty women.
    4:4 Filthy women.
    13:16 Ravish wives, dash infants.
    19:16 Will be like women! (insult to Egyptians)

    EZEKIEL
    9:6-7 Slaughter all including children.
    CH 16 Prostitutes, stoning, promiscuity…
    CH 23 Tale of two adulterous sisters – reads like the script of a pornographic film. I bet you weren’t told this story at Sunday school!

    HOSEA
    13:16 Rip pregnant women, dash little ones. (Another “pro-life” verse!)

    NAHUM
    3:4… wanton lust of a harlot… prostitution… witchcraft.
    3:5 I will lift your skirts over your face!
    3:13… Your troops are all women. (insult to Nineveh)

    MATTHEW
    5:32 Husband can divorce wife for adultery. Can wife divorce husband for the same?
    CH 25 Sexist tale of ten virgins.

    LUKE
    2:22 Mary must be purified after birth of Jesus.
    2:49 Jesus rebukes his mother.

    I CORINTHIANS
    11:2-10… Woman created for man.
    14:34 Women must be silent in churches.

    EPHESIANS
    5:22-24 Wives must submit to husbands in everything.

    COLOSSIANS
    3:18 Wives submit to husbands.
    3:22 Slaves must obey masters in everything.

    I TIMOTHY
    2:11-15 Woman must not have authority – she must be silent. Women can be saved with childbearing.
    5:9-10 Widows should be faithful to husband and must wash saints’ feet.

    1 PETER
    2:18 Slaves submit to masters, even masters who are harsh.
    3:1 Wives submit.
    3:5-6 Sarah calls husband master.

    REVELATION
    CH 17 Destroy great prostitute.
    14:4…they did not DEFILE themselves with women but kept themselves pure

    • You’ve pointed out the bad stuff. Agreed.

      But there’s still lots of warm and fuzzy stuff, especially from the NT, which is what most folks remember and what primarily drives the enthusiasm for the Christian faith.

      • @Billysees,

        Yes.
        The good stuff (what there is of it) has some allure:
        “love your neighbor” and “behold the lilies of the field.”

        But to see any true love in Jesus is delusional:

        “bring to me those enemies of mine, and execute them in front of me.”
        – Jesus (Luke 19:27)

        “…If you judge them unworthy, REMOVE YOUR BLESSING of peace.”
        – Jesus (Matt 10:14)

        “I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! But….what constraint I am under until it is completed! Do you think I came to bring peace on Earth? No, I tell you, but division.”
        – Jesus (Luke 12:49-51)

        • Jesus did not say what you attribute to him in Luke 19:27…the words are those of the corrupt ruler he is talking about in the parable.

          Quit the cut and paste, Iggy. You need to rework your material.

  3. To the Author, Cathy:

    I’m wondering why you wrote “but they’re wrong.” – stating that the Bibles don’t advocate the repression of women. I’ve read both the main Protestant Bible and the Catholic Bible cover to cover, and the repression is clear and unambiguous in both the old and new testaments in both of those Bibles. Were you just uncritically repeating what the American Bible Society or Barna (both Christian biased organizations) said? Or is that your view? Perhaps that should be stated either way?

    Also – it seems to be another case of Christian Privilege that the various scriptures of the various Christian groups are refered to as “the Bible”. After all, there are many different Bibles, with different sections of text, different whole passages, and even different whole books. Some have 66 books, or 73, or over 100, or other content. Of course Christian prosyletizing groups, like the ABS will use their biased term, but the media, including RNS as well? I think I’ll live to see a day when that is not so.

      • Oh, since you insist on only one accepted canon, that must be be the 73 books of the Roman Catholic church, since that’s the only one used by the majority of Christians. The others are heretical, right?

        • Too much is made of the difference between the Catholic and Protestant Bibles. The Catholic Bible’s OT includes Jewish writings that were included in the Greek Septuagint but never in the Hebrew Bible. And the NT canon was virtually set by the middle of the 2nd century, only minus a couple of minor epistles.

  4. Consider that devout Christians such as William Lloyd Garrison were strident abolitionist leaders in the north and equally devout Christians in the south quoted scripture to defend the abhorrent practice of slavery. Such a silly book and an equally silly religion. The endless enigma.

    • One can look in the Bible and see one’s best self
      or one’s worst self. Yet a mirror would suffice.

      The Bible is ancient silliness meant to shift your own responsibility off of you
      and repackage it as God’s.

  5. Another example of showing that many of us, Christian or not, already realize that the Bibles are not the word of God is the fact that some Christians don’t seem to care much if someone just changes it, as the different Bibles have. If I really thought a given Bible was really the word of a real God, I’d be up in arms if even a word were changed, much more book after book removed or book after after book added. Like Frank. It looks like Frank really believes that his Bible is the Word of God.

    Of course, the canon isn’t settled today, and has never been settled. You can see that in all the gyrations in the old testament, such as the addition of Enoch by the Dead Sea Scroll community, the different versions used by the early Christian church and so on. Even just mentioning most of all the versions and changes would take whole books to describe. The new testament too has been quite fluid, with the early church doubting Hebrews, Revelation, Jude, and more, and even much more recently, Martin Luther himself taking some books out of the New testament (later Protestants put them back in), and calling Revelations the “ravings of a madman”. We could go into more detail if you like, showing added new testament books like 3rd Corinthians, removed books, and other canons in other Christian churches, in both the old and new testaments.

    • You don’t seem to understand the bible at all. The canon was set long ago. The fact that some recommend terribly minor changes, or that some people disagree with the canon as it exists is a different question. Of course it is settled today.
      Typical non-thinking – the fact that something is 99% settled and has been for hundreds of years. Ooooooh! 1% gets disagreed with. So someone thinks the canon is not settled?

      • OK, please list this canon that was settled back then, over 1500 years ago, and in still in use today 99% the same, by practically all Christians. Or at least say how many books.

        • The Muratonian Fragment, ca. 150-170 AD, lists all of the NT books we know today except for Hebrews, James, and I and II Peter. All other Christian writings, it states, came after the time of the apostles and therefore could not be accepted as scripture.

          • Right. So let’s see….the claim by fda;d was that it was “99% settled”. Let’s check. Missing four books out of 27 is 23/27, or 88.88%. That’s certainly not “99%”. Plus, you didn’t mention that the Muratorian fragment also *includes* the Apocalyse of Peter. So how do we count that? Maybe take another book off, making it 22/27, or 81%, again, a far cry from 99%”? This is a good example to show again how most of us already realize that the Bibles are simply writings by regular people – not by some sky deity. If I really did think that our 27 book canon was actually authored by the ruler of the Universe, then how could I tolerate taking four books of that divine and perfect text out? I couldn’t. Yet, above, we see you not much bothered at all that they are gone – and that the writings of a regular human (the Apocalypse of Peter) are added as if it doesn’t matter if a regular person or the ruler of the Universe wrote them.

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