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(RNS) An interfaith coalition has again asked the U.S. House of Representatives to reject a prayer plaque at the World War II Memorial in Washington, D.C.

The proposed plaque, which is under the consideration of a House subcommittee, would feature a prayer spoken by President Franklin Delano Roosevelt on the radio on D-Day, June 6, 1944.

“O Lord, give us Faith,” it reads in part. “Give us Faith in Thee; Faith in our sons; Faith in each other; Faith in our united crusade.” It concludes with, “Thy will be done, Almighty God.”

The coalition — a mix of religious and secular organizations that includes the Center for Inquiry, a humanist organization; three Jewish groups; the Hindu American Foundation; and the United Methodist Church — said the prayer does not reflect the religious diversity of the United States.

The Commemorative Area of the National World War II Memorial in Washington, D.C., recognizes the sacrifice of America's WWII generation and the contribution of our allies. A field of 4,000 sculpted gold stars on the Freedom Wall commemorates the more than 400,000 Americans who gave their lives, and symbolized the sacrifice of families across the nation.

The Commemorative Area of the National World War II Memorial in Washington, D.C., recognizes the sacrifice of America’s WWII generation and the contribution of our allies. A field of 4,000 sculpted gold stars on the Freedom Wall commemorates the more than 400,000 Americans who gave their lives, and symbolized the sacrifice of families across the nation. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer’s Mate 2nd Class Daniel J. McLain [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons


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“Our religious diversity is one of our nation’s great strengths,” they stated in a letter to the subcommittee. “This bill, however, shows a lack of respect for this great diversity. It endorses the false notion that all veterans will be honored by a war memorial that includes a prayer that proponents characterize as reflecting our country’s ‘Judeo-Christian heritage and values.’”

House bill H.R. 2175 is sponsored by two Ohio Republicans, Rep. Bill Johnson and Sen. Rob Portman. Portman is a member of the United Methodist Church, one of the organizations that opposes the plaque.

Michael De Dora, director of government affairs for the Center for Inquiry, the only nontheistic group in the coalition, said his organization was happy to join with religious groups in opposing the plaque.

“When you can include a wide range of groups that include perspectives on religion, the chances you are going to succeed are greater because there is a greater chance people will find a group on the list that they identify with,” he said.

The attempt to place a prayer plaque at the memorial, which opened to the public in 2004, dates back to 2011. It has been approved by the House before but was rejected in the Senate.

YS/MG END WINSTON

51 Comments

  1. Noooo. Not a prayer plaque at the monument!

    Will this insipid nonsense ever end?
    The fight to keep the wall between church and state is a constant battle. And a needless waste of time.

    I’ll have to increase my funding again
    for the Freedom From Religion Foundation.
    Again!.

    • The prayer is simply an historical comment made long ago by a revered president. I don’t see anything upsetting here.

      I too believe in “freedom from religion”, especially if divisive, ignorant or untrue comments are apparent. For example, Psalm 14:1 says this about unbelievers — “They are corrupt and commit evil deeds; not one of them practices what is good.” That kind of nonsense is stuff that comes from the OT. The NT reads much better.

      I see a strange kind of anti-religious extremism going on nowadays. Where will it all lead to. Will there be demands that churches build walls around them so nobody can see them?

      • @Billysees,

        The prayer is not allowed on public property. It is against the law.
        That is the problem with it.

        My Grandfather died in WW2 as an Atheist.
        It is a disgrace for my family to be told that he must be ‘honored’ with prayers from the immorality of Jesus WHO IS Yahweh.
        I don’t care if you think Jesus is better – he isn’t and my grandfather hated things like this; “I come not to bring peace, but a sword”.

        I PROMISE YOU that if this prayer plaque goes forward
        we will make the government pay a high multimillion dollar fine for emotional damages.

        Christians have no right to besmirch my grandfather with a killer God – My grandfather died for this country and for the right to live without religion!

        How would you feel If I placed a saying of Hitler on your Grandfather’s grave and asked you “what is your problem with it – I want it here whether you like it or not?”

        I would feel absolutely no patriotic duty to a country which places either my Grandfather or Me or my Athiest daughter as second class citizens!

        • I sympathize with your answer. But the motives of most non-fundamentalists are simply to express their gratitude for their belief and those that are like minded without offending anyone.

          It’s hard to keep everybody happy and satisfied.

          • Why does this include public property – which is an ILLEGAL ACT??
            I would not be a patriot to country which treated my as unequal!
            Keep your religion OUT OF THIS!

          • Billysees said on
            May 23, 2014 at 8:25 pm
            I sympathize with your answer. But the motives of most non-fundamentalists are simply to express their gratitude for their belief and those that are like minded without offending anyone.

            It’s hard to keep everybody happy and satisfied.
            —————————————————————————

            The gospel cannot be truly preached without offense and tumult.”
            Martin Luther

            “The truth of the matter is rather as Christ says, “He who is not with me is against me.” … He does not say “He who is not with me is not against me either, but merely neutral.”
            ― Martin Luther,

          • Bullcrap. You only want to put your religion’s stamp on a public memorial and claim it for your own. Offense is intentional on the part of Fundies..It is so obvious various religious groups see it that way. The opposition to the plaque is interfaith in nature.

            You can stop lying for the Lord.

        • atheist max wrote.
          My Grandfather died in WW2 as an Atheist.

          well every Christian knows your Grandfather. isn’t a Atheist now..

          So stop using him for your excuses . Stand on your own to feet like he taught you when he was a Atheist..

          LOL

          • @rob,

            The right thing to say is “Thanks to your Grandfather for his service”

            For shame, Christian.
            I think the small community which reads these posts will agree that your morality isn’t anything to be proud of.

          • Your comment is very inappropriate if not disgusting.

            For offenses must come, but woe to that man by whom the offense comes…….Matt 28:7

          • I meant to preface my comment in this manner —

            @rob

            Your comment is very inappropriate if not disgusting.

            For offenses must come, but woe to that man by whom the offense comes…….Matt 28:7

      • FDR should never have said the prayer anyway.
        Presidents have no right to insert religious nonsense into their governing and it was illegal for him to do it.

        And it must come to an end.

      • If the plaque was appropriate for the memorial, they would have placed it there at the outset. Instead, you have some theocratic legislators sneaking around attempting to put their sectarian “tramp stamp” on the mall’s newest addition.

        This is just crossing a line to put Christian nonsense where it does not belong.

        I have distant relations who fought for China against the Japanese. They did not risk their lives for “Judeo-Christian values”. The fact that protests are coming from Jewish groups says white a bit. The religious group most indelibly affected by WWII, found this thing inappropriate.

      • “I see a strange kind of anti-religious extremism going on nowadays.”

        Mostly because you are tone deaf to the offense Christians give to people of other faiths and beliefs when they try to appropriate government for their own purposes. You failed to take note that the objection to the plaque came from various RELIGIOUS groups.; Even the Methodist Church found the idea offensive.

        Fundamentalist Christians always think “religion” only refers to their beliefs in a singular fashion. Maybe those bible thumping politicians wrap their brains around the idea of serving God by actually doing something useful to people.

        • Mature Christians will probably do whatever they can to abide in the scripture verse that goes like this — The faith that you have, keep between yourself and God…….Rom 14:22

          But it would seem impossible to expect all to do that just like it would be impossible to expect all unbelievers to not express their views.

          • Mature Christians not only check out the verses some one gives to see if it is there they also read the forward and after verses to see what really was being said in context many mature Christians

            they also check out wider contexts in other scripture verses that apply to the same subject to make sure they are understanding it correctly.. they also understand
            the difference in descriptive passages verses prescriptive passages..

          • obviously mature Christians will quickly check the verse and see it was not only misquoted but was used way out of context..

          • Mature Christians would respect views besides their own when it comes to public property. You are not one of them.

            Immature bible thumping buffoons feel the need to put their piety in public at the expense of others.

            My tax dollars are unnecessary for your faith. Your faith does not give you the right to steal something belonging to all as your own.

        • what you said about fundamentalists

          is like saying every atheists only has atheists as friends..

          blanket statements simply do not cover ever one in either camp.

          • I have yet to see a fundamentalist who says anything worthy of respect.

            I have yet to see one who understands separation of church and state.

            I have yet to see one who respects beliefs besides their own. The proclivity for fundamentalists to offend others in a blithe and arrogant fashion. Your disrespect for Max’s grandfather is a perfect example of it. Don’t bother making excuses, I don’t care to hear them. They will be bullcrap. You meant to offend him in a malicious manner. That much was obvious.

            I don’t see reason to qualify the statements, absent evidence to the contrary. If you don’t like my assessment of fundamentalists, then maybe you should reflect more on your own behavior. .

        • I’m not tone deaf. I see the same things you see and can agree that some believers will over-emphasize or over-exert their beliefs to the point of offense. They do that because of their selfish and insensitive nature. Fundamentalists are famous for that.

      • The old testament is Gods truth its far from being nonsense..it may appear as nonsense to some one not familiar with how it applies to day
        though..

        Jesus said of the old testament these are the scriptures that testify about me..

        Jesus often refers to what he has said in his old testament ..

        • @rob,

          This isn’t nonsense?
          GOD SAYS – CUT OFF YOUR WIFE’S HAND IF SHE TOUCHES ANOTHER MAN’S PENIS.

          “If men get into a fight with one another, and the wife of one intervenes to rescue her husband from the grip of his opponent by reaching out and SEIZING HIS GENITALS, you shall cut off her hand; show no pity.” – DEUT. 25:11
          Cut off your wife’s hand? Show no pity?

          GOD Commands Genocide:

          “I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy.” (JER 13:14)
          “Now go and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling.” (1 Samuel 15:3)

          God COMMANDS YOU ….KILL THE WOMEN, RAPE THE GIRLS:

          “Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. ‘Why have you let all the women live?’ he demanded. …They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD’s people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.” (Num:31:18)
          Moses decrees rape of girls.

          GOD COMMANDS WOMEN TO MARRY THEIR RAPISTS

          “If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.” (Deut. 22:28)

          • Atheist Max
            May 23, 2014 at 11:05 pm
            @rob,

            This isn’t nonsense?
            GOD SAYS – CUT OFF YOUR WIFE’S HAND IF SHE TOUCHES ANOTHER MAN’S PENIS.

            “If men get into a fight with one another, and the wife of one intervenes to rescue her husband from the grip of his opponent by reaching out and SEIZING HIS GENITALS, you shall cut off her hand; show no pity.” – DEUT. 25:11
            Cut off your wife’s hand? Show no pity?

            GOD Commands Genocide:

            “I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy.” (JER 13:14)
            “Now go and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling.” (1 Samuel 15:3)

            God COMMANDS YOU ….KILL THE WOMEN, RAPE THE GIRLS:

            “Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. ‘Why have you let all the women live?’ he demanded. …They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD’s people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.” (Num:31:18)
            Moses decrees rape of girls.

            GOD COMMANDS WOMEN TO MARRY THEIR RAPISTS

            “If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.” (Deut. 22:28)

            reply

            How could it be nonsense when it kept Gods chosen people separate from the heathen world.. so that from them could come
            the worlds only savior from sin Jesus.. Gods greatest gift of love to people who do not deserve to be forgiven of their sins
            you and me..

          • @rob,

            So the ends justify the means? What is “sin-free” about that?

            JESUS LIED. Isn’t lying a sin?

            “‘Go to the festival yourselves.
            I AM NOT GOING to this festival, for my time has not yet fully come.’ After saying this, he remained in Galilee. But after his brothers had gone to the festival, THEN HE ALSO WENT not publicly but as it were in private” (John 7.8-10).

            JESUS INSTRUCTED FOLLOWERS TO STEAL. Isn’t stealing a sin?

            “untie them” ..”bring them to me” (Matt. 21:2-3)

            He didn’t forgive his enemies – he sent them to Hell! (Mark 16:16)
            Isn’t that a sin?

            He cursed his enemies – “Thou Fools!”(Matt. 23:17)
            Isn’t that a sin?

            He destroyed his enemies – “execute them in front of me”(Luke 19:27)
            Isn’t that a sin?

            He didn’t love most of his neighbors, – They are ‘Dogs’!(Matthew 15:26)
            Isn’t that a sin?

            He told people to judge others – “Remove your blessings”!(Matt 10:14)
            Isn’t that a sin?

            He was bigoted – “They are swine” (Matthew 7:6)
            Isn’t that a sin?

            He violently whipped people – “He made a whip of chords and attacked them” (John 2:5)
            Isn’t that a sin?

            He didn’t want peace – “I do not bring peace.”(Matt 10:34)
            Isn’t that a sin?

            He prepared for war – “if you have money, buy a sword” (Luke 22:36-37)
            Isn’t that a sin?

            He told people to hate their loved ones.
            Isn’t that a sin?

            —–
            Your Jesus sinned more than most of the Atheists I ever met!

          • @rob,

            By any standard set by the Bible, Yahweh or even by Jesus himself…

            JESUS WAS A SPECTACULAR SINNER!
            His contempt for the laws of Yahweh, while quixotically ENFORCING THEM (o_O) is about the most two-faced garbage in religious history!

          • Not as bad as rob approving genocide, rape and dismemberment. I was hoping that was inadvertent, but it doesn’t look that way. There is some real crazy coming out in his responses.

          • @ Jesse Turner

            Hehehe…..lol……hehehe.

            But Athiest Max does a good job of revealing things that ‘should’ be known and pondered by all.

        • @ rob

          When Jesus spoke about the OT scriptures that testify about me, he surely wasn’t referring to the bad stuff that are prevalent in them.

          It is undesirable for some to accept that there ‘is’ a certain nonsense or lack of applicability within all of scripture, both OT and NT. This isn’t a result of a misunderstanding but rather a simple application of what is said. It doesn’t take a theologian or an ecclesiastical person to make this determination. Psalm 14:1 is a good example previously mentioned.

          The Bible and its narrative is not good enough, alone. Many truths can be found in all of scripture, but many things that are not illustrated in scripture are very important to all of us also.

          Paul, the major NT contributor, expressed his knowledge and understanding and therefore his own writings in the following way —

          1. …All that I now know is partial and incomplete…
          2. Now we see things imperfectly…

          It’s quite possible and reasonable to assume that he was also speaking for all of scripture.

          Scripture should be a guide, not a God.

          Any scripture or holy texts can become an idol. Look how that kind of idolatry towards their scripture has hurt so many Muslims. And look how that same kind of idolatry has turned many fundamentalists into mean spirited, overly judgmental and hypocritical people.

          Don’t forget 1 Cor 4:20 plus Rom 14:17 —

          “The Kingdom of God is not in “word” (that means scripture verse), but “power” (that means the ever renewing work of the Holy Spirit or Spirit of God)……..….it’s not food and drink but “righteousness” (that means doing good works and deeds) and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit”.

          Cheer…

    • I think if it was appropriate, politicians wouldn’t be sneaking around to place it after the fact. They would have been honest and open about it while the memorial was being built. But fundamentalist christians are not honest people..

    • Jews suffered 6 million of its civilian casualties 10% of ALL PEOPLE KILLED in the war. They oppose the plaque.

      Chinese (Confucianist/Taoist/Buddhists) made up 20% of those killed. Obviously “Judeo-Christian” values doesn’t enter the picture there.

      Indian (Hindus and Muslims) made up 4% of those lost in the conflict. They oppose this plaque as well.

      Atheists made up 40% of those killed in the war. They don’t like it either

      To put a Christian prayer plaque would dishonor the memories of the majority of those who perished defeating the Axis.

  2. @ Atheist Max

    You’ve done an excellent job of bringing to the surface many scripture verses that require everyone’s attention to pondering those things. You should publish your commentary as a challenge to all believer’s. That way, all believers will be forced to take the ‘high road’ and prioritize their enthusiasm by always emphasizing the really important things in scripture.

    So what are those ‘really important things’ ?

    Here they are — I Cor 13:1-13

    1. If I could speak all the languages of earth and of angels, but didn’t love others, I would only be a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

    2. If I had the gift of prophecy, and if I understood all of God’s secret plans and possessed all knowledge, and if I had such faith that I could move mountains, but didn’t love others, I would be nothing.

    3. If I gave everything I have to the poor and even sacrificed my body, I could boast about it, but if I didn’t love others, I would have gained nothing.

    4. Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud.

    5. It is not rude, it does not demand its own way, it is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged.

    6. It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out.

    7. Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance.

    8. Love never fails, but where there are prophecies and speaking in unknown languages and special knowledge, they will become useless. Love will last forever!

    9. Now our knowledge is partial and incomplete, and even the gift of prophecy reveals only part of the whole picture!

    10. But when the time of perfection comes, these partial things will become useless.

    11. When I was a child, I spoke and thought and reasoned as a child. But when I grew up, I put away childish things.

    12. Now we see things imperfectly, like puzzling reflections in a mirror, but then we will see everything with perfect clarity. All that I know now is partial and incomplete, but then I will know everything completely, just as God now knows me completely.

    13. Three things will last forever — faith, hope, and love — and the greatest of these is love.

    Cheer towards all of us…

    • @Billysees,

      You are completely wrong about I Cor 13:1-13.

      1. “If I could speak all the languages of earth and of angels, but didn’t love others, I would only be a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.”

      This is a pedantic, obvious, unenlightened rumination on LOVE. A thousand poets have done better than this.
      —-

      2. “If I had the gift of prophecy, and if I understood all of God’s secret plans and possessed all knowledge, and if I had such faith that I could move mountains, but didn’t love others, I would be nothing.”

      Repetitive. This rightly states that compared to LOVE, “ALL OF GOD’S PLANS” are completely meaningless, worthless garbage.

      —-

      3. “If I gave everything I have to the poor and even sacrificed my body, I could boast about it, but if I didn’t love others, I would have gained nothing.”

      A third redundant statement about the importance of LOVE. Has nothing to do with God. Anyone could write this.

      —-

      4. “Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud.”

      This is certainly true about love.
      Unfortunately it has nothing to do with GOD!
      Yahweh’s love (and Jesus’) is CONDITIONAL, it is vengeful, boastful, jealous, proud, petty, authoritarian, hateful, capricious, conniving, sadomasochistic…and YAHWEH says so – and Jesus says so also.

      —-

      5. “It is not rude, it does not demand its own way, it is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged.”

      This is the SLAM DUNK argument why God and Jesus have absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH LOVE!!
      NO RECORD OF BEING WRONGED?? WHAT THEN IS HELL FOR?
      God isn’t demanding? Where do you get that idea?
      READ IT AGAIN IF YOU DON’T GET IT!
      YOU MUST HAVE MORE RESPECT FOR YOURSELF THAN THAT!

      —-

      6. “It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out.”

      Might be true about LOVE. But Again, what does this have to do with god? Justice is not served under God’s laws: “slaves be obedient to your masters”
      FEAR, FAITH AND OBEDIENCE ARE NOT WAYS TO REACH ‘TRUTH’ NOR ARE THEY JUSTICE.
      NOR IS IT LOVE.

      —-

      7. “Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance.”

      AGAIN, WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH YAHWEH OR JESUS? ANY MOTHER COULD HAVE WRITTEN THIS.

      —-

      8. “Love never fails, but where there are prophecies and speaking in unknown languages and special knowledge, they will become useless. Love will last forever!”

      This is incoherent gibberish.
      Besides, Love does often fail. It is the meaning of bittersweet.

      —-
      9. “Now our knowledge is partial and incomplete, and even the gift of prophecy reveals only part of the whole picture!”

      Again with the gibberish. A much better way of wording this:
      ‘We must be humble and respectful of love’. Too bad Paul wrote gibberish about ‘prophecy’ instead.

      —-

      10. “But when the time of perfection comes, these partial things will become useless.”

      YOU MEAN WHEN JESUS COMES BACK TO DESTROY THE UNFORGIVEN? WEREN’T WE TALKING ABOUT PATIENT, NON-DEMANDING LOVE?

      —-

      11. “When I was a child, I spoke and thought and reasoned as a child. But when I grew up, I put away childish things.”

      SORRY PAUL, YOU DID NOT PUT AWAY ANY CHILDISH THINGS. NO SIGN OF THAT YET WITH THE FEAR OF THE LORD UNDERMINING YOUR COMMENTS.
      Besides your LORD and SLAVE MASTER told you: “you must be like a child”
      SO GET USED TO IT.

      —-

      12. “Now we see things imperfectly, like puzzling reflections in a mirror, but then we will see everything with perfect clarity. All that I know now is partial and incomplete, but then I will know everything completely, just as God now knows me completely.”

      WHITE NOISE AND SUPERSTITIOUS NONSENSE.

      —–
      13. “Three things will last forever — faith, hope, and love — and the greatest of these is love.”

      AND WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH GOD??

      ——

      Religious texts are cluttered with internal contradictions, superstitions and just plain ignorance – these poor people were grasping at straws.

      This Epistle has some true things to say about LOVE which I agree with.
      But it is chock-full of reasons to argue against the existence of Yawheh, His barbaric laws and the fundamental immorality of most of Jesus’ preaching.

      We need to break the spell. This stuff is mostly trash.

      • Jessie Turner

        Atheist Max strikes again. Awesome breakdown. But I don’t think Cor. is all useless exactly. I agree it is not divine, not godly – but not trash.

      • @ Atheist Max

        I think you’re over analyzing here, or straining at the gnat of words and definitions.

        Keep things more simple. You’re missing the simplicity of what is being conveyed.

        For example, you say —
        13. “Three things will last forever — faith, hope, and love — and the greatest of these is love.”
        AND WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH GOD??

        Holy mackerel…..I can’t believe you’re not aware that the Book says or declares that ‘God is love’ in many places.

        It’s possible to be too cynical. Ease up a bit and go with the flow once in a while.

        This sometimes (or oftentimes) awful world needs all the love it can get. Look at all the grief and shootings and stuff that’s happening all over the world.

        If somebody talks about “love”, then for goodness sakes encourage that kind of conversation.

        • @Billysees:

          God is love?
          If so, what then is Hate? Another God?
          Religion says GOD’S LOVE must be defended with violence:

          Matthew 10:34, “Jesus said, ‘I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword.”

          Qu’ran 8;7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth ….‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.”

          Torah: Deut 1:7 “…We will go up and fight, AS OUR God commanded us. And ye girded on every man his weapons of war.”

          We delude ourselves that this is love.
          Incoherent nonsense.

          PS: would like to ease up. But for the incessant Christian encroachment.

          • Atheist Max:

            I just read many of your posts from another article. I liked this one the best —

            ” I believe in the power of Love. But I also understand the disciples and the authors of the Bible were grappling with multiple issues – many of which were primitive and ignorant. They simply couldn’t know very much about anything. ”

            Good that you believe in the power of love. The last sentence about the disciples being limited in their knowledge was addressed by Paul when he, in his honesty, declared that —

            1. …All that I now know is partial and incomplete…

            2. Now we see things imperfectly…

            I’ve stated this previously.
            ——————————-
            Now, back to this article.

            God is Love you question. I would say that if you search out the word “love”, (get yourself a concordance) you’ll find that the word does come alive and becomes practical and meaningful in many ways.

            The Bible narratives are the product of “inspiration from imperfect men”. I think that’s why there is so much hate and love contained therein.

            ” PS: would like to ease up. But for the incessant Christian encroachment. “….you say. But I would suggest that you should discover the importance and enormous value of all the warm and fuzzy Biblical stuff and use that to counter the more accurately said, “incessant and near loveless fundamentalist attitudes”. See examples below.

            Though the following items are meant to encourage the acceptance of LGBT’s, they would also encourage you to see the greater value of many Biblical comments. If you truly believe in the power of love, then you should be able to see the goodness of the things mentioned here —

            1. Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother’s way……….Romans 14:13

            2. Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God…..Romans 15:7

            3. Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love…..Ephesians 4:2

            4. Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another; be sympathetic, love as brothers, be compassionate and humble…..1 Peter 3:8

            5. Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves…………Philippians 2:3

            6. Be peaceable and considerate, and always to be gentle toward everyone…….Titus 3:2

            7. Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven………..Luke 6:37

            8. Above all, LOVE EACH OTHER DEEPLY, because love covers over a multitude of sins………..1 Peter 4:8

            9. Let your gentle spirit be known to all men. The Lord is near……….Philippians 4:5

            And so on……

            Cheer…..

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