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(RNS) The appeals committee ruled that the penalty was beyond those outlined in church law.

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  1. Wow. It’s game over for Methodism. They’re defeated. They’ve surrendered. They done messed up.

    It’s time to abandon the Titanic. It’s time to abandon Methodism.

  2. It’s hypocritical that when the Mormon church kicked out two moderate activists from their church, the conservative Christians on this site complained about how they should leave the church if they disagree with the rules but it seems it’s ok to disagree with a church’s rules if they decide to accept homosexuality.

    • Who said that? A church is entitled to make ther own rules. But that does not mean they are immune to criticism.

      If they want to shed their members and clergy just to be spiteful and bigoted, that is their problem.

  3. The UMC’s decision simply means that more Christians are beginning to understand that Biblical writers had no understanding of why a small percentage of our brothers and sisters are born that way, with no more control over this then the minority who are born left-handed, autistic or with some other variation. The formation of a fetus is a delicate chemical balance that scientists are only now understanding. In other words, Biblical writers and commentators were only reflecting the culture of their time as to their view of homosexuality. If one believes that somehow God was standing over the writers telling them what to write, then this leads elsewhere into Biblical scholarship and understanding of what the Bible is and what it isn’t.

    • Questioning the word of God is nothing new. I seem to recall some very ancient conversation that started with “Did God actually say,..”

      How’d that turn out for you.

      • Centuries ago the Methodists, like other Christian groups, decided that when it comes to finding truth we should use Scripture, Tradition, Reason and Experience. So when reading the Bible we use the other three to help us make sense of it. The net effect is that understanding evolves, changes over time, but Tradition (in this case the Church’s understanding down through time) seems to serve as an anchor, keeping the Church from simply following the “spirit of the age”. That being said, history has shown that relying on just one of these 4 has typically led to disaster, especially in the case of relying just on the Scripture for truth.

      • Claiming to speak for the word of God is nothing new either. It is especially tempting when one claims God agrees with their actions and views as well.

        The big lie of Fundamentalists are that they are following the entire scripture as written and as intended. The reality is they are doing the same picking, choosing and interpretations as everyone else. But their egos and culture have forced them into taking the ridiculous position of denying such things.

        There is a certain appeal to one’s ego to say, “I am following God’s word and you are not”.

  4. Today was a holy day in Methodism. Congratulations to Rev. Frank Schaefer and the United Methodist Church. Let us all end discrimination against LGBT persons inside and outside religious settings.Thanks for all you have done, Rev. Schaefer.

    • The problem is that now the Book of Discipline (and the Bible, of course) has been thrown out the window completely. Clergy can now violate either book with impunity, claiming that it’s the book that needs rewriting instead of the clergyperson needing repentance.

      Methodist credibility is therefore eliminated, since the clergyperson originally signed up to abide by, rather than publicly disobey, the Book of Discipline (and the Bible too, presumably).

      Meanwhile, out in the real world, if you publicly disobey the conditions/guidelines of employment of any secular employer, then you’re simply FIRED, with no “trials” and no media gigs. The next person who’s hungry for a job, simply takes your place and follows the rules. The seculars KEEP their credibility while the churches LOSE their credibility.

  5. For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear. 2 Tim 4:3

  6. Does nobody find it odd that 3 of his 4 kids are (apparently) gay? Reliable sources confirm that 1% – 2% of the population is gay, but 75% if this guys kids are? That seems very strange.

  7. in a time when agreement seems to be the desire, i pray for respect. may we respect each other as Jesus taught. i am grateful for all those who have gone many extra miles in the name of justice.

  8. JAMES ALLEN WYATT, JR.

    YET Another “HELL IN A HAND-BASKET’ DOWN HILL SLIDE TO SATIN DOMICILE. United Methodist further simply following the downhill slide of the Presbyterian Church, which is not unexpected. When the Methodist joined the National Council of Churches I cancelled my membership to that organization that had always been Dad’s folks’ church and when the Methodist subsequently affiliated themselves with the World Council of Churches, the decision was validated..

  9. JAMES ALLEN WYATT, JR.

    YET Another “HELL IN A HAND-BASKET’ DOWN HILL SLIDE TO SATAN’S ETERNAL DOMICILE. United Methodist further simply following the downhill slide of the Presbyterian Church, which is not unexpected. When the Methodist joined the National Council of Churches I cancelled my membership to that organization that had always been Dad’s folks’ church and when the Methodist subsequently affiliated themselves with the World Council of Churches, the decision was validated..

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