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(RNS) The Presbyterian Church (USA) is no longer selling the controversial "Zionism Unsettled" on its website, to the relief of many Jewish organizations.

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  1. I will never believe anti-israel opinions automatically equal anti-semitic opinions. Calling it racism as soon as someone criticizes you is an attempt to control thr conversation and shut it down early….causd well, that’s all you’ve got to fight back with.

    How is the israeli/pali conflict, based on the “divine right” to the territory any different than islamic caliphate…also a claim ro earthly things by divine right?

    Meanwhile….shhh. Don’t take about thr broad brush “justice” israel is metering out right now. No horseface, aka john kerry, its not apartheid and you retract that statement or you will be secretary of nothing.

  2. Lauren,
    A commissioner’s resolution asked the pcusa to state that ZU is not an official document of the curch AND to remove ZU from the pcusa website as an item for sale.

    The middle east committee and the assembly voted overwhelmingly to make the statement that Zionism Unsettled does speak for the denomination, but that it shall remain for sale on the church’s website.

    A few leaders of the pcusa went against the wishes of the committee that dealt with this all week and against hundreds of commissioners.

    You want a story? Go ask them what gives them that kind of authority in the Presbyterian system.

  3. Rev. Irvin Nussdorfer

    I am disappointed by the GA OFFICE removed the document from the website. It is not antisemitic but an honest telling of Zionism and it’s influence in Israel. We cannot deal with the issues in the struggle for peace without separating this from the religion of Judaism.

    • Garson Abuita

      The official PCUSA position is that Israel has the right to exist and that there should be a two-state solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict. ZU is wholly incompatible with that position. Have any of you actually read it? It is dripping with hate not just for the Israeli hard-right but for Israelis themselves and for any American Jews who dare to support the state. PCUSA could not have this on their website and have an official position supporting Israel’s right to exist. The real question for the future is whether PCUSA will continue to hold that position.

      • There’s the buzzword again…hate. If someone calls it hate it must be banned, no questions asked.

        It cannot be merely disagreement, or criticism. It must be “hate”. It must be made emotional and blindly illogical by the use of the word hate and we can then justify censoring that offensive opinion.

        Disclosure: I have not see the material in question. It may very well be hate, or it may be a mere criticism of jewish zionism. It may be done in a edgy style common to many docudramas today. But in my opinion, if its a logical criticism of the zionist mindset it is not hate, racist or anti-semetic.

        • Garson Abuita

          Disclosure: I have read the material in question. I agree, criticism of Zionism is not necessarily anti-Semitic. Read it and make your own conclusions.

      • Warren R. Smith

        I’ve read it and if anything, it’s very careful in offering only factual documentation. The alarming part is that none of these views are allowed in American media. If it’s such an affront to Judaism, why are there no public broadcasts of point and counter-point? And I don’t mean Fox News “discussion” where O’Reilly basically overrides any critical views before they leave the speaker’s mouth.

  4. Modern Zionism is a secular movement. David Ben-Gurion was an agnostic. Some Zionist are atheists. So how could Zionism be based on the God given right to anything.

    Modern Zionism was a response to the failure of assimilation of Jews to end antisemitism. Theodore Herzl wrote his first Zionist document after witnessing the mobs calling “death to the Jews” after hearing the verdict of the Dreyfus trial. Herzl was an assimilated Jew who was not religious, but the response to the Dreyfus trial smashed his illusions completely.

    If Israel did not exist, I would be there trying to create a Jewish state, because Jews need a state of their own. I can live in America because Israel exists. German Jews once thought that Germany was the new promised land and look what happened to them. Right now in France recored numbers of Jews are leaving France for Israel to escape antisemitism.

    • Thank you for your insightful comment. So many things about the jewish mindset confuse me. I’ve wondered how a jewish person could be zionist and non-religious at the same time. Heck, I’ve wondered how a non-religious jewish person can still call themselves jewish, as I know multiple racial backgrounds make up thr modern jewish society. Your comments help bridge the gap for me a bit.

  5. cowards and liars will not cut it. by backing down and caving in to Zionist bullies I lose all respect for the Presbyterian leaders. one thing is for sure — not a penny from me to support their treachery bc we do not think the killing of Palestinian children is kosher no matter how much bullying or blood money the zio billionares can dole out, and we know full well about the racist teachings of the Talmud.

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