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WASHINGTON (RNS) The Hobby Lobby case revolved around the question of whether an employer had to cover all types of birth control, including ones that their religious convictions held out as morally objectionable. But it hinged on little-known RFRA.


  1. Congratulations America. You voted for Republicans and now look how stupid you look! Yikes!

    Republicans are crazy. They intractably believe that their beliefs and the mythologies they subscribe to, are justification to intrude on the very private and difficult decisions women may have to overcome in life.

    Tolerance has no place in our world anymore does it?

    Clearly we should all start our own religions and warp the rule of law to fit our beliefs. Our stupid decisions about how we believe the universe works are clearly more important than empirical data and logic.

    Hmmm….Yet how many Republicans batted an eye at said murder of hundreds of thousands of already living and breathing men, women and children in Iraq, at the hands of those same people who asked for their votes in the name of “protecting life”? Republicans are hypocrites.

    This is what we are dealing with America. Terribly stupid fake people.

    It makes me so mad that in the 21st century we are still debating the separation of church and state……and that those people who want to force their beliefs on others do so with no consistency. For these people to say they care about life is a joke.

    Who needs radical Islam when you have the modern Republican?

    • @Daniel,



      America has become a nation of idiots
      because the idiocy of religion
      has taken over the American mind.


      Ronald Reagan
      George W. Bush
      Dick Cheney
      Sarah Palin
      Donald Rumsfeld
      Pat Robertson
      Jerry Falwell


      Osama Bin Laden
      Rudolf Hess
      Adolf Eichmann
      Cardinal Bernard Law
      The Koch Brothers
      Marshall Herff Applewhite, Jr.
      Ayman Al Zawahiri
      Robert Tilton
      Joseph Mengele
      Ayatollah Khomeini
      Hahmoud Ahmadinejad
      Adolf Hitler
      Peter Popoff
      Reichsfuhrer SS Julius Shreck
      Reichsfuhrer SS Joseph Berchtold
      Max Koegl (Manager of Auchwitz)
      Reichsfuhrer SS Erhard Heiden
      Reichsfuhrer SS Heinrich Himmler
      Reichsfuhrer SS Karl Hanke
      Archbishop Cardinal Law
      Adolf Eichmann
      Adolf Deikmann
      Fritz Hardjenstein
      Werner Braune
      Bob Morehead
      Fred Phelps, Sr.
      Oral Roberts
      Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker
      Matthew Hale
      Al Queda
      Billy James Hargis
      Bob Larson
      Jim Jones
      Saddam Hussein
      David Koresh
      John Paulk
      Suicide Bombers
      D.V. Grant
      Mike Warnke
      Emperor Hirohito
      Ariel Sharon
      Yasser Arafat
      Benjamin Netanyahu
      Paul Crouch
      Pat Robertson
      Marcial Maciel Degollado
      Michelle Bachmann
      Sarah Palin
      Franz Stangl
      Paul Blobel
      Hermann Goering
      Josef Kramer
      Jerry Falwell
      Oskar Dirlewanger
      Jimmy Swaggart
      Creflo Dollar
      Ilse Koch
      Joseph Goebbels
      Reverend Sun Myung Moon
      Sunday Adelaja
      Pope Leo X
      Anathole Serromba
      Jean Bertand Aristide
      Mel Gibson
      Benny Hinn
      T.D Jakes
      Dick Cheney
      Adolph Hitler
      Kim Jong-Il
      Kaiser Wilhelm II
      Kim Il Sung
      Rush Limbaugh
      Erst Kaltenbruenner
      Michael Bray
      Paul Jennings Hill
      Father Charles Edward Coughlin
      Tomás de Torquemada
      Emperor Constantine

      If god is good – why does he have such a disgusting marketing team?
      If God is moral, why is he always a fascist?

      • Jimmy Carter belongs on this disgusting list, too.

        He brought ‘born again’ status to the level of the Presidency
        (an American embarrassment) and with his latest book
        Carter reveals he can’t believe in God in the same way anymore.
        He acknowledges that religion does too much harm to women.

        Better late than never, Jimmy. I applaud your questioning!

        But Carter will live in infamy with many others on this list
        of deluded fools and rascals!

    • Joseph Santos

      hmm I’m on the fence on this one. i can see both sides of the argument. I do think that this issue shouldn’t even have made it to the supreme court and that religious beliefs shouldn’t have been used as the reason to deny coverage for these contraceptives. But I CAN see why someone wouldn’t want to pay to have these included in health care coverage.

      First, the entire purpose of a health care system is that everyone pays a little bit for the few that get sick. So if I’m looking at it from the perspective of getting sick and treating sickness, I don’t know if I can see contraceptives as treating a sickness. I mean we all get cancer or malaria or the flu and they’re all random, equal opportunist diseases (to an extent), so you can clearly see how those things should be covered. But not all of us get pregnant, and it’s not a random thing that you can get – you need to actually physically do something consensual on your part to actually get pregnant (Different issue for rape victims). So on the issue of sickness I can’t vouch for contraceptives.

      Then there’s the issue of wellness. And that, I can see how contraceptives should be covered on the basis of wellness. But there’s a lot of things you could consider to be part of the wellness of the human body. Couldn’t you make the argument (and a pretty convincing one) that vitamins do more for the overall human wellness than contraceptives do? So why shouldn’t the orange juice I bought at the market be covered by my insurance? Or to compare something more similar, why aren’t condoms covered by insurance?

      Anyways, the fact that the SCOTUS was split just goes to show that it’s an issue that’s evenly divided among people and that both sides have a fair argument. I do think that the religious freedom reason shouldn’t have been used to deny coverage, and I do think certain contraceptives should be included in health care, but if they weren’t included I can certainly see valid reasons for it that don’t include religion.

      • And with no opinion on corporate religious belief you make Hobby Lobby’s position sound more reasonable than reality permits.

        SCOTUS will be divided on any issue with a blatantly partisan bent. ACA covers wellness in a sane fashion. Most diagnostic testing is covered. Your orange juice analogy betrays a fundamental ignorance of the purpose of health insurance a way to Make the anti-contraception POV sound reasonable when it clearly is not. Insurance covers what would be troublesome to pay out f pocket. In the case of contraception, it means effective ones for women. Many are expensive or require medical implantation.

        The idea of parsing out which contraceptive should be covered on what amounts to purely arbitrary and capricious (in this case also factually incorrect) reasons is ridiculous. The religious belief of the employer is not a legitimate reason to deny or limit healthcare options of employees.

        Pretty much the arguments people use here in favor of Hobby Lobby require willful omission, ignorance of facts or in he case of the SCOTUS decision blatant intellectual dishonesty.

    • Not sure we’re you are getting your information, the original religious reformation restoration act was approved by Bill Clinton ( A Democrat) in 1993. It was originally mentioned to address native Americans use of peyote in their religious ceremonies. Although I am suspect of the ne ed of the law myself I have not encountered an case of this law being used to descriminate against anyone based on race, color or sexual orientation. I am also sceptic of the way the law is written that any of those types of discrimination would not be covered under this. This law the way it is worded seems to restrict governments ability to force religious people to do thing that are not accepted by their religious beliefs.

  2. Ten prominent religious leaders. My guess is that these are the usual suspects shilling for the right wing. Many may agree with them, but you can be assured the don’t represent the majority of religious people. The particular issue aside, they do great harm because they are presumed to speak for all of us. Generations of young people have turned away from the faiths because of just such as these.

  3. The 11th Commandment:

    When you’re not allowed to force your religious beliefs on others,
    and they challenge your privileges, scream ‘persecution’.

  4. Yes, cause the liberal “thinkers” will scream even more than they currently do unless they can get a christian to assist monetarily in their abortions.

    • Catholics are more likely to have had an induced abortion than others. Evidence-based sex and having accessible contraception is the solution.

      • Great. Whatever. As long as the individual is reponsible from beginning to end.

  5. It is a terrible law and should be repealed. Stop the expensive, ineffectual war on drugs (that discriminates against the poor and minorities) so the Indians can use their drugs in religious rituals (apparently the original reason for the RFRA).

  6. There’s one method of contraception that Hobby Lobby fully supports, even makes money off of it: it’s called ‘craft-making’ … funny!

  7. Hey Daniel and others whose heads are about to explode (hopefully)….. didn’t your beloved Democrat Congress of 1993 and president Bill Clinton foist the Religious Freedom Restoration Act upon us? Just sayin, you are not really paying attention. Can’t blame Republicans for a Liberal agenda law and a very liberal Supreme Court who couldn’t completely ignore the mandate it contained. No one can be forced to finance activities that are against their deeply held religious views. Except ôf course via our tax dollars. Deems don’t have any problem financing their immoral agendas by taxing us to pay for them.

  8. The problem is not with RFRA. The problem is applying it to corporations rather than natural people who can have legitimate elisions beliefs. The ideas that one an impute religious belief to something whose existence is merely a filing of papers in a state’s Department of State was utterly ridiculous.

    The distinction between “public” and “closely held” corporations is utterly phony under the law. Even SCOTUS knew they were writing a stinker of a decision. But they wanted to justify a desired end but in such a way it could not really be applied elsewhere. They knew it was a fundamentally intellectually dishonest decision and li tied the ruling for purposes of damage control.

    Applying RFRA to corporations destroys its purpose and gives greater coercive power to those who already have it in spades. If the purpose of the law is to allow redress to those who lack power otherwise, it has failed with this little unwarranted amendment.

    Leave it to conservatives to twist laws beyond all sane reason to make it easier for corporations to attack individual liberties.

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