(RNS) Bishop Tony Palmer, a charismatic preacher who used a cellphone camera to record Pope Francis issuing an appeal for Christian unity between Catholics and evangelicals, died Sunday (July 20) after a motorcycle crash in the United Kingdom.

In January, Palmer held the smartphone that recorded Pope Francis calling on all Christians to set aside their differences. Palmer, a bishop and international ecumenical officer with the independent Communion of Evangelical Episcopal Churches, also helped coordinate the pope’s meeting with televangelists in June.

In the video, Pope Francis referred to Palmer as “my brother, a bishop-brother,” saying they had been friends for years. “Let us allow our longing to increase so that it propels us to find each other, embrace each other and to praise Jesus Christ as the only Lord of history,” Francis said.

Bishop Tony Palmer died on July 20, 2014, after a motorcycle accident.

Bishop Tony Palmer died on July 20, 2014, after a motorcycle accident. Photo courtesy The Ark Community

Born in the U.K. and raised partly in South Africa, Palmer had served as the director of the South Africa office of Kenneth Copeland Ministries. On Copeland’s website, Palmer said he had met Archbishop Jorge Bergoglio of Buenos Aires (now Pope Francis) in 2008 when Palmer sought permission to work with charismatic Catholics in the city.

In a February blog post for Patheos, Anglican-turned-Catholic priest the Rev. Dwight Longenecker focused on Palmer as representing something new in Anglicanism, especially for Palmer’s involvement in the Convergent Movement, a charismatic Anglican group that ordains women as deacons and priests.

“One has to ask, when Tony Palmer presented himself therefore as ‘an Anglican Bishop’ did Archbishop Bergoglio of Argentina have any idea that this was the background and was he aware of this rapidly shifting identity of Anglicanism? I suspect he did not,” Longenecker wrote. “How was a Catholic bishop in Argentina expected to be aware of the mushrooming complexity of Anglicanism?”

After the pope’s June meeting with televangelists, Longenecker wrote that the real division among Christians is not between Catholics and Protestants.

“The real divide is between progressives who wish to alter the historic faith according to the spirit of the age, and those who believe the spirit of the age should be challenged by the eternal and unchanging truth of the Christian gospel,” he said.

Retired Pope Benedict XVI invited Anglicans to join the Catholic Church, allowing priests to remain married and continue to have some autonomy. With a Catholic wife, an international background and a charismatic evangelical blend, Longenecker wrote, Palmer served as the perfect “face” for new Anglicanism.

KRE/MG END BAILEY

144 Comments

  1. Bp. Emilio Alvarez

    My dearest Friend and brother Bishop Tony Palmer. He was and always will be a champion for Christian Unity. We love and miss him dearly. Our prayers are with his family, the Communion of Evangelical Episcopal Church Family, to which we belong and all Christians world-wide who believe in Jesus’ prayer “That they all may be one.” (John 17:21).

    “Diversity is Divine, division is diabolical” – Bp. Tony Palmer

    +Emilio Alvarez

      • I agree with you. He was the messenger of the devil as with the many christian preachers like Kenneth Copeland etc. I had watched this video a few months ago, and wanted to throw up. I guess now Palmer is preaching in hell?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA4EPOfic5A
        God does not slumber nor sleep and we will be seeing much worse happening to HAMAS or CHAMAS meaning VIOLENCE and ALL who come against the Great God of Israel, His Land and His People. HalleluYAH to the coming KING YAHSHUA MESSIAH (Jesus).

        • Sidney Dorsett

          We see and hear things as they happen but must be gracious in matters of which Angels fear to tread. We, like Gamaliel, sat back to see if this thing was from God. Divine admonition is to let speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt therefore let every observant child of prophecy hasten to pray for his immediate family; his wife, children and parents that God will attenuate the pain that comes with mourning. We understand there’s a second chapter to this namely that things will advance on the gathering of principalities and powers. Even so Lord Jesus, come quickly.

          • @Sidney Dorsett,

            Good grief.

            “We understand there’s a second chapter to this namely that things will advance on the gathering of principalities and powers.”

            What is this claim and where does it come from?

          • This is a well schemed plan of Satan. Tony Palmer will mysteriously arise from the dead… Stay tuned for the comimg great deception. Stay close to The Holy Spirit and ask Him to guide you towards the Truth. The Name of Jesus is above every name, and if The Greater One Lives inside you, you have nothing to fear. Nobody can harm you unless God allows it. Stand up now, please help spread truth so many will be saved. If He is showing you this truth, it’s for a reason. SHARE!

      • ChristianSpook,
        AMEN!
        My sentiments exactly. You took the words right out of my head.
        Ecumenical Christianity is a New World Order tool used for global power….
        designed for the soon arrival of the antichrist.

  2. Wake Up Church

    My sympathies to Mr. Palmers family but Mr. Palmer was no man of God. How can unity be achieved with a religious leader and religious order that says atheists will be saved by their good works, that aliens can be baptized, that having a personal relationship with Jesus is dangerous. Please google these and see for yourself. Those who know and love Christ cannot be in unity with blasphemy. There is one mediator between God and man and that is the Lord Christ Jesus, not a fallen man on a throne in Italy. Untold millions of bible believing Christians have been put to death by this religious order with it’s foundation in paganism. The bible says my people perish for a lack of knowledge. Seeing this false unity being pushed through is proof that again, God was right.

    • Thank you for your comments. Based on my study of the Holy word, I too, cannot comprehend that true Christians anywhere can unite with a religio-political order which is so diabolical in nature as the Roman Catholic Church. Her plans and purposes have not changed. Only her modes of operation remain hidden until she can assert her dominance once again! May God help us when she once again regains her power. See Revelation 13.

      My condolences however to the grieving family members of Mr. Palmer.

    • Tony Palmer served aggressively with the Great Whore (PAPACY) of Revelation 17. Only God Knows His eternal destiny. We must know that Satan’s main goal is to kill and destroy mankind. Satan will deceived and use people to his advantage and if that person will not turn to God for salvation from the evil one, satan will use him to his advantage and then tossed him on the wayside for eternal damnation. Who knows, Tony Palmer was just a demon in human form and he has fulfilled his mission of deception.

  3. Pe.Antony Samy Siluvai,svd

    Dear Bp.Palmer, Thank you very much for Blessing our Pope Francis. And i pray that your family and all be consoled by the prayers of our brothers and by the Blessing of our Loving God Jesus Christ. You and our Pope Francis were human friends irrespective of all the differences. So in any way in Jesus Christ we are friends. As humans you both expressed the humility through which teach most the pride filled ones a lesson and an example that God alone complete our imperfection. I pray that your soul may rest in Peace. Please, from Heaven also intercede for the unity of our brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ our Lord.

    • Romans 8:24
      NOONE but Jesus Christ can intercede for us, Tony Palmer is dead, in the ground, Now, IF, he (Palmer) is one of the ones that 1 Thessalonians 4:6 speaks of, THEN he will rise and meet Jesus in the air, if not, he will remain in the grave, like thousands of others to await their judgement…….
      Just a messenger with the Bible truth.

  4. Liberty of Conscience Threatened

    Romanism is now regarded by Protestants with far greater favor than in former years. In those countries where Catholicism is not in the ascendancy, and the papists are taking a conciliatory course in order to gain influence, there is an increasing indifference concerning the doctrines that separate the reformed churches from the papal hierarchy; the opinion is gaining ground that, after all, we do not differ so widely upon vital points as has been supposed, and that a little concession on our part will bring us into a better understanding with Rome. The time was when Protestants placed a high value upon the liberty of conscience which had been so dearly purchased. They taught their children to abhor popery and held that to seek harmony with Rome would be disloyalty to God. But how widely different are the sentiments now expressed!

    The defenders of the papacy declare that the church has been maligned, and the Protestant world are inclined to accept the statement. Many urge that it is unjust to judge the church of today by the abominations and absurdities that marked her reign during the centuries of ignorance and darkness. They excuse her horrible cruelty as the result of the barbarism of the times and plead that the influence of modern civilization has changed her sentiments.

    Have these persons forgotten the claim of infallibility put forth for eight hundred years by this haughty power? So far from being relinquished, this claim was affirmed in the nineteenth century with greater positiveness than ever before. As Rome asserts that the “church never erred; nor will it, according to the Scriptures, ever err ” (John L. von Mosheim, Institutes of Ecclesiastical History, book 3, century II, part 2, chapter 2, section 9, note 17), how can she renounce the principles which governed her course in past ages?

    The papal church will never relinquish her claim to infallibility. All that she has done in her persecution of those who reject her dogmas she holds to be right; and would she not repeat the same acts, should the opportunity be presented? Let the restraints now imposed by secular governments be removed and Rome be reinstated in her former power, and there would speedily be a revival of her tyranny and persecution

    http://www.greatcontroversy.org/books/gc/gc.html

    The Great Controversy (Chapter 35 ~ Liberty of Conscience Threatened) Pages 563-564 ~ Author Ellen G. White 1858 first edition.

  5. Well if anyone in these blogs is relatively a historian, they will not forget the battles that king Fernando fought in taking back spain from the Muslims and on and on the battlefield was full of catholic s who fought for the faith , that you all might have

  6. A future in knowing, who the Savior was Jesus Christ, history will show you how you even come to have a bible in your hands it is by the Catholic Church the monks compiled the first bible, it was the Catholic Church with its people who called themselves catholic, that fought to the death the Muslims and pagans who wanted no part of Christ and His Church

    • Mac, please tell me that you are not justifying catholicism by the crusades, are you doing that for the centuries of the inquisition as well. Millions of bible believing Christians tortured and put to death, in an unquenchable lust for worldly power, wealth and property. I get my bible from people like William Tyndale who at the cost of his own life, being burned at the stake by the catholic church, translated it into english. So every free man and woman would know what it truly said. Not purgatory or indulgences or papal infallibility or salvation by works.

          • God does exist.

            If anyone wants to see and know God (the creator of heaven and earth and everything we see and do not see) then they have to follow certain rules.

            Please read John chapter, 14:21

            “Whoever has my commandments and observes them is the one who loves me. And whoever loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and reveal myself to him.”

            God does exist, but it is your choice to see and know God or not. Also God doesn’t force you to know or love him and He has created us with free will.

          • @Joseph,

            “Whoever has my commandments and observes them is the one who loves me…”

            OKAY.
            This is why your Christian beliefs are a cancer to the world.

            WHY ARE YOU NOT IN PRISON FOR MURDER?
            JESUS INCLUDES LEVITICUS EXPLICITLY among his commands:

            In Mark 10:19 Jesus said:
            “Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, do not steal, do not bear false witness, DEFRAUD NOT, Honour thy father and mother.”

            Jesus is NOT limiting His commands to the 10 Commandments!
            Because there is no commandment against DEFRAUDING.

            Instead, Jesus is including Leviticus 19:13
            which says : “Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbor,”

            and it is NOT among the Ten Commandments.
            Surely, if Jesus was god incarnate
            he would know HIS OWN commandments!

            BUT JESUS INCLUDES LEVITICUS 19:13: “do not defraud”

            SO JESUS surely must be including Lev. 20:13 “Kill homosexuals.”
            AND 600 OTHER COMMANDS in the law which call for death for other sins.

            SO…ARE YOU IN PRISON?

            Have you shown your love for God by following his commands?
            Have you killed the homosexuals (and other sinners) in your life?

          • “bring to me those enemies of mine and execute them in front of me.” – Jesus (Luke 19:27)

            Jesus talking about the final judgment.

          • Yes. “Execute them” was used
            as a ‘final judgement’ for 200,000 people
            accused of witchcraft during the black plague (as just one example).

            You know that each one of those people was innocent of witchcraft. Right?
            Did Jesus know that his words would be used
            to execute millions of innocent people over 2000 years?

            Did Jesus care that “Execute them” would sound like a good idea?
            According to Rwandans in 1993 it was still a good idea to “Execute them” and they killed 800,000 of their fellow countrymen in the most Catholic country in Africa.

            “execute them” – Jesus

          • Robert Thompson

            A-Max, me again.
            That is very nice slam on the problems with Jesus. People always point to ‘love your neighbor’ but they forget that this only applied to Israelites. Jesus called other people ‘dogs’, talk about bigotry.
            Had not considered that ‘defraud’ might point to Leviticus but if I were not Atheist already that would push me quite far toward not believing a god of love would open that can of worms. But then, god and jesus are supposedly the same anyway. Makes no sense.
            go figure.

          • Francis of France

            The problem is a spirit of pride and perfectionism.

            You do not believe because you think that by believing in Christ you become instantly perfect. He does not ask for instant perfection. He only asks that you are willing. Once you are willing, Grace can be poured out so that you may grow closer to Him and that He may perfect you.

          • For 44 years he ‘graced’ me.

            But I’m an Atheist anyway. If my financial advisor had that sort of failure rate I’d have him arrested.

          • Hi Atheist Max,

            The Bible tells us that it is difficult to understand the Bible and a disciple of Jesus needs to help you when reading the Bible.

            Please read:
            Acts 8:27-35

            “Do you understand what you are reading?” And he said, “Well, how could I, unless someone guides me?”

          • @Joseph,

            You are taking the Bible out of context again. According to you that makes you Satan.

            But if guidance is needed why wasn’t that guidance included in the Bible in the first place?

            The Bible does not come with operating instructions because IT CLAIMS TO BE the operating instructions.

            When you are buy a new appliance you will get operating instructions with it.
            But it would have to be a very poor set of operating instructions if those instructions were impossible to understand on their own.

            What sort of creator god could be so mistaken about how humanity comprehends things? It makes no sense.

          • Jesus did not leave a book; He left a Church.

            Finding answers in the Bible is not quite as simple as you seem to believe. If that were so, there would not be the over three thousand non-Catholic Christian churches divided by their differing interpretations of Scripture; each insisting that its interpretations are the correct ones?

            It ought to be remembered that Jesus did not leave a book; He left a Church. It was the Church that compiled the New Testament and determined which books would be included in it or not. It was the Church that taught the truths of the faith while the New Testament was being written. By Church, I mean the Catholic Church; there was no other. While remaining the world’s largest Christian church, the Catholic Church maintains a very consistent and unified understanding of the Bible because of the teaching authority that Jesus gave to Saint Peter and to his successors, the popes of Rome.

            Certainly, loving God with all one’s heart, soul and mind and striving to spread the Gospel are necessary and sound quite simple. The actual doing of these things isn’t so simple because we are all bungling sinners and need the Lord’s help to even do a poor job of it, let alone a good one. This is why the Lord instituted the Church: to teach us and to administer to us the graces we need. Remember how long it took the Apostles to get it and they had the Jesus with them in Person! It is the teaching authority of the Church that helps us to understand what Scripture has to teach us. Otherwise, we Catholics would be struggling by ourselves to understand and would be as divided as other Christians.

          • @Joseph,

            You are free to believe what you want. But as long as you engage me I’m going to ask you questions.

            Why do you believe in Jesus?

            If God exists He knows me very well and he knows how to convince me if he wants to.

            But in the meantime if you could just tell me exactly WHY YOU believe in God, maybe that would at least help me understand.
            I hope your belief is not based on any of these reasons:

            1. I hope it wasn’t your parents decision that you be Christian – because that would take away your free will.

            2. I hope it wasn’t a decision based generally on where you live, because that would take away your free will.

            3. I hope it wasn’t a decision you made without considering other religions very directly and even trying them out through faith, because that would not reflect your free will.

            4. Wasn’t based on a vision of Jesus, a personal contact, a sighting of God or an angel, because that would take away your free will.

            5. I hope it wasn’t based on someone praying for you, because that would take away your free will.

            Tell me how you became a Christian, why you still believe it and how did you do all of this and preserve your free will?

          • @freeforever,

            I’m not “fighting against something that does not exist”.
            Christian right wing fascist ZEALOTS most certainly exist. Looks like you are another one. Do you exist?

            Think of me as a fireman
            who is against arson
            and has to keep returning to the scene of the crime
            to do forensic analysis.

            The problem isn’t God – there is no evidence god exists.
            The problem is the people who think he does exist.

            Religionists can’t seem to wait to force this nonsense on the rest of us
            with their destruction of the wall of Separation of Church and State, The destruction of the Establishment Clause and some matches and a powder keg or two.

          • Dear Atheist,
            let me first congratulate you. I was considering that, in order to be an atheist, you need a lot of faith, and you certainly have that kind of faith.
            Reading your answer make me wonder: Who are you to judge the beliefs of others? Goodness, you’re acting like the God you don’t even know!!
            If you have your own persuasions and you are satisfied, good! Keep it! Nobody is trying to get you back to Christianity!
            Criticizing and ranting is not your task.
            Struggling to undo somebody else’s belief is the same attitude shown by those fanatics with a turban on their head, trying to impose their own belief with a gun machine.
            What do you gain or lose?
            Are you in need to prove yourself that you really believe in what you say?
            In this world you will never find 100% right or 100% wrong. Therefore, as every man is, you are not 100% right.
            I invite you to reconsider your attitude and, showing some humility, let us try to put into practice what a great and very innovative man said one day: Why, then, do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the log in your own eye?
            I appreciate you for who you are.

          • @Freeforever,

            “Nobody is trying to get you back to Christianity!…Have some humility”

            1. You think I need humility? While you claim the creator of the universe is at your personal beck and call? I don’t think so.

            2. I wish I could leave believers alone but I can’t.
            YOUR Christian churches are pushing Sharia-type Laws at us Atheists in ways that are clearly immoral and illegal.

            Evangelicals are spending millions of dollars a year promoting faith-based laws like these:

            Forbidding access to life-saving medical procedures
            Granting corporations the right to enforcing ITS OWN religion on its employees !
            State Legalized Murder of Doctors – South Dakota


            Mandatory Trans-vaginal probes – Virginia Legislature



            Preaching the Bible in public schools – funded by Hobby Lobby


            FORCED PRAYER at Government meetings – Greece, NY and other places.
            Blocking people from family planning – Texas, 5 other states.


            Obstruction of prescriptions – Illinois, Washington



            Discrimination as religious choice -Arizona (SB-1062)



            Anti-Gay laws – Texas
 & elsewhere


            Anti-women’s rights laws – Texas, Louisina, Virginia



            Biased Counseling laws – South Dakota


            Creationism to replace Science Education: 12 States
            “Intelligent Design” to replace Scientific theories
            Science and Climate Change denial legislation

            So as long as you are funding these faith-based programs among others
            
I will have to challenge you.

            Don’t be angry that Jesus can’t seem to function without all these government programs. Too bad you Christians can’t figure out how Jesus might help you without tampering with our public laws.

            Keep your Jesus at home, with your families and at church.
            Pray in public as long as you like – no problem.

            JUST DON”T INCLUDE ME and we will get along fine.

            UNTIL THEN, EXPECT ATHEISTS TO ONLY GET LOUDER.

            Thanks.

          • Great! Why don’t you gather together the few thousands of atheist around the world and buy a piece of land, put a wire fence around, call some atheist security company and fix some signs “FORBIDDEN TO GOD AND CHRISTIANS” that you hammer on the property line.
            Then you will finally be freed from all of those fellows that irritate you so bad. Then you will be able to agree with each other, all Christian pestilence being swept out.
            Then you will be able to “become louder” at your convenience, everybody will agree, no opposition permitted.
            Be careful, do not allow TV on camp, someone could be evangelized and change his mind!
            Brother, it will be the only way for you to get rid of those brain washed people, the cancer of the world.
            Last, do it quickly. You don’t know how long your life will be. So enjoy as much as you can because eternity for you is only a leap into the unknown. Good luck.

          • @Freeforever,

            We already have that ATHEIST country. We own it.
            It is called America.

            Our U.S Constitution is godless
            and it still the only godless constitution
            in the world.

            The Establishment Clause of the Constitution: “Government shall make no law establishing a religion”

            This Atheist country of ours
            allows you to practice your religion in freedom.
            But only as long as you don’t push your beliefs on the rest of us.

            Got it, now?

          • Uhau! This is the greatest insanity I ever heard! Congratulation you made me laugh for 30 minutes, non stop.
            Now it is very clear who you are and what is your purpose. It has been very easy to uncover your love for turbans and gun machines.
            You said that Christian are the cancer of the world. Well, your purpose is to eradicate cancer the same way Hitler did with Jews, Stalin and Lenin with Russians, Hoxha with Albanians and Idi Amin Dada with Africans.
            Just for fun, even though it appears that you consider yourself far above everybody in this chat, buy a one way ticket to Albania and live there for a while. Then, for vacation, allow yoursel a couple of tours around Russia and the Eastern Countries (avoid visiting Moscow, too many christians). Then, when you’re tired, move on and spend a large amount of time in some wonderful Muslim Countries (don’t forget to buy a Burka to your wife, it may be safe). At the end I hope that you will start appreciating the Country you’re trying to kill with your own mouth today. The Country were you benefit the Christian’s taxes, the Christian work, the Christian freedom, even tough you don’t deserve it because you’re biting the hand that feeds you.
            It’s easy to sentence from you golden throne.
            Remember: we are open to take lessons only from those who show proof of being better, doing what they say and not only saying what it should be done.
            Clear?

          • @Freeforever,

            “I tortured and shot up my son, ripped into his flesh and made sure his blood spilled out on the ground all over the place and I did this for your personal benefit. If you do not believe me I’ll do worse things to you” – Yahweh

            “I shot Malala Yousufzai for Allah” – Taliban leader

            “I shot Yitzak Rabin for Yahweh” – Zionist

            “bring to me those enemies of mine who would not have me as their King and execute them in front of me” – Jesus (Luke 19:27)

            You shall keep all of your immoral, disgusting religions
            out of my United States government! I will require that.
            And over time, you religionists shall learn to respect Atheism.

            “I donate all the proceeds of ‘Newman’s Own’ to save children everywhere”
            – Paul Newman, ATHEIST.
            Raised $370 Million dollars
            for poor children of all races and creeds.

          • @freeforever,

            Yes. I am going to go out on a limb.

            My morality is superior
            to that of Jesus, Allah, Yahweh, The Taliban, Al Queda, The Catholic League, The KKK, Aliayat al Faquii, Zionist settlers who use Yahweh as a reason to seize land, Muslims who use Allah to increase the Caliphate, Christians who preach hell to little children.

            Religion is despicable nonsense.

            Yes, I must insist that you keep all of your religions out of my godless government. None of them deserve to lord it over the people of America.

            And you really must get the message that Atheism is not a religion.
            The Separation of Church and State is the only thing
            ‘approximating’ a religion for Atheists like me.

          • Atheist Max,

            You just ansewered Yourself as to why You see no proof of God existence.

            You said:

            “I hope your belief is not based on any of these reasons:

            4.  “Wasn’t based on a vision of Jesus, a personal contact, a sighting of God or an angel, because that would take away your free will.”

            So now You know why God does not show himself or give a 100% proof of his existence because that will take away people’s free will.
            However,  God will reveal himself to people who want to know him and see him because that would be the people’s free will.

            Please read John chapter, 14:21

            “Whoever has my commandments and observes them is the one who loves me. And whoever loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and reveal myself to him.”

            When we observes Jesus’ commandments, it is us that are searching for God and it is our free will. And God will reveal himself to the people who seek him.

            Please read Hebrews 11:6

            “But without faith it is impossible to please him, for anyone who approaches God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.”

            Please read Deuteronomy 4:29

            “Yet when you seek the LORD, your God, from there, you shall indeed find him if you search after him with all your heart and soul.”

            Conclusion:

            The reason I know of God existence is because I with my free will, searched for God and believed in what he promised so He rewarded me by revealing Himself to me.

            But for You Atheist Max, if you continue denying God existence then You will Never see God, not now and not for eternity.

          • “But for You Atheist Max, if you continue denying God existence then You will Never see God, not now and not for eternity.”

            I was a Catholic for 44 years.
            I can re-create the feeling of ‘being with God’ at any time. It is incredibly easy.
            Just a quick recitation of the ‘our father’ or the ‘hail mary’ and I am back at being a little Catholic boy. It happens incredibly quickly.

            I can even TALK WITH GOD – i do it for fun sometimes.

            But instead of believing that this feeling “IS GOD” I understand it for what it truly is: a fun delusion.

          • Hi Atheist Max,

            Of course you, Atheist Max, call it “a fun delusion,” Because you Atheist Max are NOT following the rules that God has established for people to do, so He reveal’s Himself.

            God made it clear what people need to do, so that He will reveal Himself to them.

            Please read John chapter, 14:21

            “Whoever has my commandments and observes them is the one who loves me. And whoever loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and reveal myself to him.”

            Please read Hebrews 11:6

            “But without faith it is impossible to please him, for anyone who approaches God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.”

            Please read Deuteronomy 4:29

            “Yet when you seek the LORD, your God, from there, you shall indeed find him if you search after him with all your heart and soul.”

            Atheist Max,

            YOU MUST obey Jesus’ commandments And Jesus will reveal himself to you.

            Atheist Max,

            I did what our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ said and He revealed Himself to me and I am sure Jesus will do the same for you.

            Atheist Max,

            Therefore, from now on you Atheist Max, have NO MORE EXCUSES and can NOT say God does not exist
            Because God does exist and if YOU continue saying “God doesn’t exist” that PROVES that You Atheist Max are a liar and you belong to your father the devil and you willingly carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks in character, because he is a liar and the father of lies.
            Read John 8:44

          • @Joseph,

            Of course, if you tell me the Bible is an AUTHORITY which I ‘must’ listen to, then I would have to question that.

            I reject your claim that the Bible is an Authority on anything.
            You have shown no evidence and no sign that the Bible is anything more than a book of ancient nonsense:

            None of these Bible lessons are true:

            The Earth is flat
            The Earth is 6000 years old
            Donkeys can talk

            Bats are a kind of bird

            Snakes can talk

            Shaving will get you killed
            Rainbows did not happen before the days of Noah.
            Eating Lobster is worthy of death
            Wearing some fabrics is worthy of death

            The mustard seed is the smallest seed. 

            People can live inside of fish without air for days

            Women should feel ashamed if they are raped

            Men should cut off their wive’s hands

            Non-jews are dogs


            People should execute God’s enemies

            People should judge others harshly

            People should hate themselves
            
People should hate their parents

            People should kill their neighbor

            People should kill unruly children

            The laws of Moses should be followed and
            
The laws of Moses should not be followed

            You should pray in public and
            
You should not pray in public

            Just because Jesus was foolish and believed them
            Doesn’t mean your children should!

          • Hi Atheist Max,

            YOU ARE DISTORTING THE BIBLE TO YOUR OWN DESTRUCTION.

            Please read:
            2 Peter 3:16

            “speaking of these things* as he does in all his letters. In them there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures.”

            Atheist Max,

            A disciple of Jesus needs to help you when reading the Bible.

            Please read:
            Acts 8:27-35

            “Do you understand what you are reading?” And he said, “Well, how could I, unless someone guides me?”

            Atheist Max,

            Therefore, from now on you Atheist Max, have NO MORE EXCUSES and can NOT say the bible is a  book of “ancient nonsense.” Or say any bad word about Jesus.
            Because YOU ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES ON HOW TO READ THE BIBLE AND if YOU continue saying the bible is a  book of “ancient nonsense.” Or say bad words about Jesus, that PROVES that You Atheist Max are a liar and you belong to your father the devil and you willingly carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks in character, because he is a liar and the father of lies.
            Read John 8:44

          • “YOU ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES ON HOW TO READ THE BIBLE”

            Show me these rules you speak of.
            And they better explain why God needed blood.

          • @Joseph,

            Since you seem to know all the answers:

            Why did god need Jesus to bleed out of is body?
            Didn’t god know the blood in the vein was just as good as blood out of the vein?
            In fact, the blood in the vein is better blood because it stays red. The dried blood will turn brown rather quickly and melt into the dirt.

            Why did God need the blood of Jesus to spill onto the ground and not into a cup? Why did god want the blood wasted? What was god intending to do with the blood once it hit the ground?

            Why is it important for the blood of Jesus to be wasted? What made the blood of Jesus special since it had Mary’s DNA it had to be from the same sinful blood line as Adam – so the blood must have contained the DNA of original sin.

            So since Jesus’ blood wasn’t purely from God only…
            What sense does it make for Jesus to need to spill it?

          • Hi Atheist Max,

            I am glad that you are no longer saying bad words about our lord and Savior Jesus Christ and the Holy.
            Bible.

            I will answer your question briefly and not in details because it is very difficult to go over the whole Bible on this blog page.
            Also I know you have many questions and I am not interested in chatting with you anymore unless I see something very wrong.

            In regards to your question.

            1- The blessed Virgin Mary called the “Immaculate Conception”

            The Immaculate Conception means that Mary, whose conception was brought about the normal way, was conceived without original sin or its stain—that’s what “immaculate” means: without stain. The essence of original sin consists in the deprivation of sanctifying grace, and its stain is a corrupt nature. Mary was preserved from these defects by God’s grace; from the first instant of her existence she was in the state of sanctifying grace and was free from the corrupt nature original sin brings.

            When discussing the Immaculate Conception, an implicit reference may be found in the angel’s greeting to Mary. The angel Gabriel said, “Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you” (Luke 1:28). The phrase “full of grace” is a translation of the Greek word kecharitomene. It therefore expresses a characteristic quality of Mary.

            2- Our lord and Savior Jesus Christ loves all people equally and He died on the cross for all people.

            But any of us could choose to lose His love

            Please read John, chapter 15:10

            “If you keep my commandments, you will remain in my love”

            Dear Atheist Max,

            If you truly care about your eternal life then it is best for you to humble yourself and go to the nearest Catholic Church in your area and ask them for help to bring you back to your heavenly Father

          • @Joseph,

            I’m interested in eternal life – but I don’t believe in it.
            So I don’t believe you have it either.

            Our beliefs can’t dictate the facts. non-Belief in gravity does not change whether you will fall out a window.

            One can hope to live again and many atheists do.
            But we don’t ‘believe’ that it will happen thanks to belief in gods.

            Have a nice day.

          • @Joseph,

            What is ‘immaculate’ about the conception?
            Is it because there was no penis involved?
            Is the penetration the sinful part of it?
            Is it because there was no ejaculation of anything?
            Is it because God does not have a penis?

            Even so, when we are born we are all afflicted with Original Sin.
            Presumably this is carried from mother to sons regardless of where we are born – right?
            So any human child born of any human mother is clearly afflicted with original sin. Mary was human, she had original sin from her mother? Right?

            Or are some of us not afflicted with original sin at all?
            How do you know the difference?

            I don’t understand it.
            And I don’t believe in God because it doesn’t make sense.

            Have a nice day.

          • Atheist Max,

            To answer you briefly.

            The blessed virgin Mary is FULL of God grace. She was born without the original sin and stayed without sin until She went to heaven.

            Please read (Luke 1:28).
            The angel Gabriel said to Mary, “Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you”

            I fully understand why YOU DO NOT WANT TO BELIEVE this because YOU ARE SON OF THE DEVIL and you willingly carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks in character, because he is a liar and the father of lies.
            Read John 8:44

            May the Lord rebuke you.

          • @Joseph,

            If Mary could be sinless and ‘full of grace’
            How did she get that way?
            Was her mother ‘full of grace’, too?

            And if God can make someone ‘full of grace’ and sinless
            does that mean Mary is God’s only Daughter?
            I’m just asking the question. How does this work?

            If Mary had no sin
            And Jesus had no sin
            Then they are both the only people who ever lived who were sinless.

            Why wasn’t Mary’s sinless blood good enough for God?
            Why couldn’t Mary have been slaughtered as the lamb of God instead of her son?

            I just don’t understand the blood sacrifice.
            Explain if you can.

            Meantime, I’ll wait for God to rebuke me (for asking a question?).

          • If Mary did not have original sin, how did that happen?
            Dad Mary’s mother not have sin?

            And why is the bloodline of Jesus followed but not the bloodline of Mary?
            Especially since the bloodline was irrelevant to Jesus (supposedly)
            because his father was GOD and none of the people in the bloodline were relevant?

            You are free to believe it
            But nobody can explain this apparently.

            And the claims of this religion are falling flat.

    • Hello Mac,

      Your history is a bit skewed. Prior to the Protestant Reformation, the
      Catholic hierarchy actually forbade parishioners to read the bible, and all liturgy
      was conducted in Latin; irrespective if that language was understood or not.

      The Roman Catholic “Council of Trent” voted to delete certain books of original
      scripture, and they added their own ‘church canon’.

      • That is not correct. The Council of Trent reiterated the canon that had existed for centuries and enumerated all the books including those that were removed by reformers. The canon was set as by at least the 4th century during the council of Hippo. The books that were removed existed before Trent in the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible known as the Septuagint; itself existing from before the birth of Christ.

        As for the oft misrepeated statement that it was against the law to read the Bible, that too is wrong. There were laws forbidding reading heretical (read wrong) translations of the Bible, but the Douay-Rheims translation was completed in late 16th century/early 17th and predates the King James edition. There are several German translations going back to the 9th century.

        Please if you are going to state opinion as fact, do some research before hitting post.

  7. The Roman Catholic Church belongs to Satan.

    He is the Cornerstone of that church!

    Satans forerunner Tony Palmer has claimed to have come in the spirit of Elijah, he fulfilled his purpose to deceive those whose names are not written in the lambs book of life.

  8. I can’t believe that Kenneth Copeland and the rest of his buddies, would go along with this mixture of part truth and a lot of error. Having been a former Catholic, I can attest that this religion is very dangerous and has no intent of ever being in unity of anyone or anything unless they become one of them.
    Same scenerio like Islam. For years the catholic church considered someone who does not convert to that religion, a heritic. Nothing has changed, except there is a new man in the vatican. Jesus, calls them wolves in sheep clothing. I am so elated that the mighty Holy Spirit, saved me and got me out of that horrible institution, and I do my best to reach as many catholics as well as other unsaved people to know the truth and see them free and saved by God’s wonderful GRACE!!!!

    • Thank you Deena,
      You are an encouragement, I know so many ex-catholics that feel the same as you do. If any good can come from a tragic accident like this it would be that Kenneth Copeland and his buddies as you say, have the fear of the Lord come upon them and that they rethink their false unity decision before they lead their congregations to damnation.

    • I agree with you,Deena. I was surprised that Kenneth Copeland Ministries made Tony Palmer Director ofSouth Africa Division of KCM. Then again, the prosperity preachers and all are now openly viewed as to where their REAL interests lie. The wheat and the tares are exposed.

  9. Reap what you sow, I saw that you tube video before makes me sick, one world order, one world church, this man got what he deserved, that’s what happens when you work for the mother of all harlot churches.

  10. Holy Gospel of Jesus Christ according to Saint Matthew 13:24-30.
    He proposed another parable to them. “The kingdom of heaven may be likened to a man who sowed good seed in his field.
    While everyone was asleep his enemy came and sowed weeds all through the wheat, and then went off.
    When the crop grew and bore fruit, the weeds appeared as well.
    The slaves of the householder came to him and said, ‘Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? Where have the weeds come from?’
    He answered, ‘An enemy has done this.’ His slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’
    He replied, ‘No, if you pull up the weeds you might uproot the wheat along with them.
    Let them grow together until harvest; then at harvest time I will say to the harvesters, “First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles for burning; but gather the wheat into my barn.”‘”

    Copyright © Confraternity of Christian Doctrine, USCCB

    Commentary of the day :

    Blessed John Henry Newman (1801-1890), priest, founder of a religious community, theologian
    Sermons Preached on Various Occasions, no.9,2: §§2.6

    “Let them grow together until harvest”
    The Church has scandals, she has a reproach, she has a shame: no Catholic will deny it. She has ever had the reproach and shame of being the mother of children unworthy of her. She has good children;—she has many more bad… God might have formed a pure Church; but He has expressly predicted that the cockle, sown by the enemy, shall remain with the wheat, even to the harvest at the end of the world. He pronounced that His Church should be like a fisher’s net, “gathering fish of every kind,” and not examined till the evening (Mt 13,47f.). Nay, more than this, He declared that the bad and imperfect should far surpass the good. “Many are called,” He said, “but few are chosen” (Mt 22,14); and His Apostle speaks of “a remnant saved according to the election of grace” (Rom 11,5). There is ever, then, an abundance of materials in the lives and the histories of Catholics ready to the use of her opponents…

    But we do not bury our faces in our hands, we raise our hands and our faces to our Redeemer. “As the eyes of servants are on the hands of their masters, and the eyes of the handmaid are on the hands of her mistress, so are our eyes unto the Lord our God, until He have mercy upon us” (Ps 123[122],2)… To Thee do we appeal, O true Judge, for Thou seest us. We care not for man while we have Thee…, while we have Thy presence in our assemblies, and Thy witness and Thy approval in our hearts.

    • Let me first say Joseph that I know catholics that have had a salvation experience, that are born again because of their FAITH in Jesus Christ and his atonement, His finished work of the cross. That being said your quoted sermon above is again a washing of the hands of responsibility, a slap in the face to all the church has wronged over the centuries and CONTINUES to wrong. Currently there are thousands upon thousands of child sex abuse cases being washed away and covered up by catholic money and political might. It is not bad children as it is stated in the sermon but the RULING ELITE that is wicked. One statement in the sermon is correct…We care not for man…

      • @Chuck,

        “I know catholics that have had a salvation experience, that are born again because of their FAITH in Jesus Christ…”

        Yet they still become Atheists later (as I did) because humans grow and re-examine their lives. And when they look back at what they thought was ‘salvation’ it turns out to have been something more easily explained by other means.

        Look at all the vitriol on this page
        over things which cannot be measured.

        • @ Atheist Max

          “Look at all the vitriol on this page
          over things which cannot be measured.”

          The comments in this column are the worse I’ve ever read here.

          Better days are hoped for.

        • @ Atheist Max,

          Perhaps your premise is wrong. Catholics, or anyone else for that matter, who simply have a “salvation experience” are bound to relapse and have feelings of disappointment/dissatisfaction. What is lacking is
          the ‘New Birth’ in Jesus The Christ. Being ‘Born Again’ makes you
          a new person. You get new DNA; new spiritual genetics (if you will).
          The bible says that all things of God/Jesus become new to you and the
          the old things will pass (2 Corinthians 5:17) (paraphrasing).

          There isn’t any real vitriol on this thread. I read only sadness and frustration that another human being was duped into working for the
          enemy of our souls (satan), and upon Palmer’s death, he has now lost all hope of salvation…..unless he repented of his sins prior to dying.

  11. Tony Palmer was a Jesuit lackey / shortcoat..and a deceiver.!!
    Iam not glad or dissapointed at Tony Palmers death..and I am not gloating..the fact is, if it was not Palmer acting on behalf of the Jesuits,, it would be some other Anglican deceiver..

    I think it important to now that Anglicanism is just un-poped catholicism..and so the Anglican so called church does not speak for for christians / protestants.

    And just so you know..

    THE PROTEST IS NOT OVER,,NOT BY A LONG CHALK..!!

  12. John, chapter 17

    “so that they may be one just as we are”

    John, Chapter 17

    1
    When Jesus had said this, he raised his eyes to heaven* and said, “Father, the hour has come. Give glory to your son, so that your son may glorify you,a
    2
    * just as you gave him authority over all people,b so that he may give eternal life to all you gave him.
    3
    * Now this is eternal life,c that they should know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
    4
    I glorified you on earth by accomplishing the work that you gave me to do.
    5
    Now glorify me, Father, with you, with the glory that I had with you before the world began.d

    6
    “I revealed your name* to those whom you gave me out of the world. They belonged to you, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word.
    7
    Now they know that everything you gave me is from you,
    8
    because the words you gave to me I have given to them, and they accepted them and truly understood that I came from you, and they have believed that you sent me.
    9
    I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for the ones you have given me, because they are yours,e
    10
    and everything of mine is yours and everything of yours is mine, and I have been glorified in them.f
    11
    And now I will no longer be in the world, but they are in the world, while I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name that you have given me, so that they may be one just as we are.
    12
    When I was with them I protected them in your name that you gave me, and I guarded them, and none of them was lost except the son of destruction, in order that the scripture might be fulfilled.g
    13
    But now I am coming to you. I speak this in the world so that they may share my joy completely.h
    14
    I gave them your word, and the world hated them, because they do not belong to the world any more than I belong to the world.i
    15
    * I do not ask that you take them out of the worldj but that you keep them from the evil one.
    16
    They do not belong to the world any more than I belong to the world.
    17
    Consecrate them in the truth. Your word is truth.k
    18
    As you sent me into the world, so I sent them into the world.l
    19
    And I consecrate myself for them, so that they also may be consecrated in truth.
    20
    “I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through their word,
    21
    so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me.m
    22
    And I have given them the glory you gave me, so that they may be one, as we are one,
    23
    I in them and you in me, that they may be brought to perfection as one, that the world may know that you sent me, and that you loved them even as you loved me.
    24
    Father, they are your gift to me. I wish that where I am* they also may be with me, that they may see my glory that you gave me, because you loved me before the foundation of the world.n
    25
    Righteous Father, the world also does not know you, but I know you, and they know that you sent me.o
    26
    I made known to them your name and I will make it known,* that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in them.”

  13. IRAQ
    Purged by ISIS, Iraq’s Christians appeal to world for help

    Published July 23, 2014
    FoxNews.com

    Iraqi Christians are begging for help from the civilized world after Mosul, the northern city where they have lived and worshiped for 2,000 years, was purged of non-Muslims by ISIS, the jihadist terror group that claims to have established its own nation in the region.

    Assyrian Christians, including Chaldean and Syriac Catholics, Syriac Orthodox and followers of the Assyrian Church of the East have roots in present day Iraq, Turkey, Syria and Iran that stretch back to the time of Jesus Christ. While they have long been a minority and have faced persecution in the past, they had never been driven completely from their homes as has happened in Mosul under ISIS. When the terror group ordered all to convert to Islam, pay a religious tax or face execution, many chose another option: flight.

    “Where is the conscience of the world? Where is the United Nations? Where is the American administration to protect peace and justice?”
    – Yousif Habash, Iraqi-born bishop of the Syriac Catholic Church

    • Joseph,

      You said, “When the terror group ordered all to convert to Islam, pay a religious tax or face execution, many chose another option: flight.
      “Where is the conscience of the world?”

      Wait!
      These most devout Christians chose to “fight”?

      If Christ is true and if God is really ready to take martyrs
      as these Christians claimed for centuries, what is the problem with dying for your Jesus? Or following the religion you CLAIM to be defending?

      “What happened to ‘offer the other cheek’?
      Are you saying there are NO BELIEVERS IN FOX HOLES !?

      “For whoever wants to save their life will lose it,
      but whoever loses their life FOR ME will find it.” – Jesus (Matthew 16:25)
      Are you renouncing this?
      Are you rejecting your Christian religion?

      Then why are you pretending it is under siege by Muslims, when you have already disowned your Christianity?

      You would be better off pretending to be Muslims now – as you pretended to be Christian for centuries.
      You forced these ridiculous Christian beliefs on your children and others
      But you can’t take what you dish out?

      And when people said, ‘This Christian religion is absurd’
      you said, “No because one must have faith in Christ.”
      But ISIS says the same thing about Islam: “One must have faith in Allah”

      And so, you have no way to argue with them, no way to deny their ‘truth claims’
      vs. yours because you already accepted the dumb argument of faith – which you clearly don’t really believe anyway!

      JUST fake that you are Islamic. Until you can leave.
      Or get out of Iraq!

      But don’t tell me such people are some sort of true Christians who need to be saved because their roots are ancient and special.
      The world does not owe people a right to their delusions;
      inter-generational, cultural or otherwise.

      Accept what you dish out or wake up, and face your Atheism.
      You don’t believe the stuff you dished out. Simple as that.

      • @ Atheist Max: You are being irrational by expecting people to welcome death to be a martyr. Did Jesus help hold the nails steady for them to drive into his body? I doubt it and no one else would either. Jesus went along with it because he was on a mission and understood it had to happen. Refugees don’t have to die for the cause because Jesus already did that.

        You seem to be more Christian than you think, I think you are just disappointed with the general population of people that are doing it wrong and it has pushed you away. I went through the atheist phase, and when I came out of it I realized i never really stopped being a Christian, I was just sick of the bs people spew all over everything and then act holier than thou.

        Just wanted to share my two cents.

        • @Matt,

          No. This is no ‘atheist’ phase i’m going through.
          I have read the Bible.
          This nonsense is horrible and we would all be better without it.

          “bring to me those enemies of mine who would not have me as their King and execute them in front of me.” – JESUS (luke 19:27)

    • Joseph,

      FOX News is a part of the New World Order; as is 99.8 percent of the media.
      I wouldn’t take any of their political, religious, or social news as being anywhere
      near accurate.

  14. Guys I grew up Catholic (recieved Christ), never read my bible, and had hard life. Then I went to a non denominational church (rededicated my life to Christ) and read the Word and did it. This is common but doesn’t mean that the entire Roman Catholic Denomination isn’t saved or is even the antichrist. Any person in ANY denomination or religion that does not have the Word of God (and do it) will not understand the fullness of who Christ is and who they are in Christ. We have a whopping 80% of believers that don’t even read their bible 5 minutes a day. That may be the problem right there. If you know the Word (and will) of God in the Word of God as well as even hear Him speak to you and lead your life, He will change your life. The Word grows you to be no more children tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine.
    Lets say that Catholics are just like Muslims (unbelievers) or anyone else. God so LOVED the world that He gave His son to die for it. That was once us. Are you telling me that no one can get past their offences (That probably aren’t even your own, they were passed down by hearing things a lot of which might be lies) and have a heart to save these people and pray for them instead of bashing them because your afraid that something bad might get on you. I know my Jesus and He loves Catholics and The Pope. If you don’t believe so just ask Him. I’m serious, if you haven’t even prayed to God about what His real heart for these people are then thats just not good. Everyone wants to quote one scripture twisted and not using the whole council of Scripture including Mercy, Grace, Forgiveness. I can only say that if these 1.8 billion people even have 10% that really believe in Jesus then you are speaking filthy things about YOUR OWN BODY in Christ. Ephesians 4 is all about the unity of the body and ends with: (gentiles) are unbelievers in the passage

    This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as the rest of[d] the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, 18 having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart; 19 who, being past feeling, have given themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

    20 But you have not so learned Christ, 21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.

    Do Not Grieve the Spirit
    25 Therefore, putting away lying, “Let each one of you speak truth with his neighbor,”[e] for we are members of one another. 26 “Be angry, and do not sin”:[f] do not let the sun go down on your wrath, 27 nor give place to the devil. 28 Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need. 29 Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. 32 And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.

    Its horrible to think that people call themselves believers but then bash other believers and even people. God says don’t walk like unbelievers. Grab God’s real heart for people and what he wants to do. GET ON YOUR KNEES AND PRAY – Or keep letting filthy communication come out of your mouth and fingers from typing this stuff online.

    • i appreciate your comment, i am a Catholic convert, i was raised Baptist and feel i was called to become Catholic by Jesus in the Eucharist. It makes me sad that some of these comments are so mean spirited. People will be known by their works (and words.)

    • Hello JC Snax,

      Yes, God’s scripture, and the knowledge of Him, was first given to the Hebrew
      people (Romans 1:16). But after Jesus’ arrival, Gentiles were later included.

      Born Again Christians are not to blend (yoke) with unbelievers in Jesus. This is
      the hurt and dissatisfaction you are reading concerning Tony Palmers’ ecumenical actions. The Catholic faith itself is demonic, however, you may find many well intentioned misguided souls that are headed straight to hell
      because of this Catholic “church’s” heretical teaching.

      People are dying everyday… and being lost forever. This is why we must speak out.

  15. We are saved by grace

    I am utterly appalled and disgusted at the negative, inconsiderate comments that a majority of people have made regarding the passing of Tony Palmer. His family and friends mourn his death and no doubt feel a huge void at his loss yet some people feel nonetheless justified in making personal comments about a spirit filled man who stood up for his faith and beliefs in a society that condemns such behaviour. We have been saved by grace, Jesus died on the cross for each and every one of us regardless which denomination we belong to. Such division amongst Christians promotes a negative image for a secular world.

    • Another atheist

      To: We are saved by grace,
      The division you see in the crhistian churches is to be expected. Jesus did not come to bring unity as you know (if you know the supposed theory about ‘grace’) and Jesus did everything in his effort to show that division was his top priority.
      Somewhere I’m sure Jesus said, “I have come not to bring peace… but division”

      • We are saved by grace

        I fear that people are getting too caught up in Religion and are not seeing the message of unity that Tony Palmer campaigned for. Jesus said that the second greatest commandment of all was to love your neighbour. Tony Palmer spoke about unity within the church and fellow believers, regardless of denomination and yes I do believe that there are spirit filled believers within the RC church.

        • Unity is impossible. Utterly impossible.
          Jesus is divisive – he has been for 2000 years. And that won’t change as long as people refer to the Bible for his divisive, disturbing words:

          “I came not to bring peace…but division” – Jesus

          This is so confounding and useless to us in our modern age.
          It is not believable that a god who loves or understands people would say such a thing.

          Imagine if Jesus had been consistent – Imagine if he said “I want you to make peace with each other always.”

          But he didn’t.

          • The correct scripture is this KJV: Jesus said, “I did not come to send peace, but a sword.” The word sword could mean division. What he was saying here is that there will be many who will contradict and say that there is more than one way to heaven or to the Father. Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, but by me.”

            The sword divides between the soul and the spirit. There is a division between the wheat and the tares. There is a division between the sheep and the goats. We have to decide, there is no gray area with Christ. The word is consistent. Here he is talking about Himself in the context of what I just said. Elsewhere he talks about those who make peace and says, “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.” Peace does not mean compromising the truth however. That’s where the sword comes in. There has to be a separation from that which is not truth.
            Thy word is truth.

            Christianity is not a broad way, but narrow as my sister J. Laraine has said. He that wishes to save his life (in this worldly confines) will lose it, as you have said earlier. There is a price to pay. Whoever loves the world is at enmity with God. There is a cost, to hold fast to the truth when those around you are arguing and disagreeing and cursing you. The anti-Christ spirit is operating in many and deceiving many. A half truth is much more dangerous than a complete lie. There is no unity with a church that says man, the pope, is above Christ and the pope can change the scripture and is infallible. The Catholic canon says, that the pope must be followed, even if he leads into hell.

            Christianity will cost you everything! It’s a free gift, but you will have to give up everything in this life, which is not to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed. The scripture says, set your mind on the things above and not on the things on the earth. For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

            The only way to be in unity with one another is if man is in unity with the Spirit of Truth / the Spirit of God. All men in unity with the Spirit of God will be in unity with each other, otherwise you’re right, it’s impossible.

          • @Jay,

            You are incorrect.

            “I have come to bring FIRE…What constraints! I am impatient to bring..DIVISION.” – JESUS (Luke 12:49-51)

            Furthermore, your words are incoherent:
            “Christianity will cost you everything! It’s a free gift..”

            ‘Free’ means it will ‘cost me everything’?

            I wonder if religious people
            even read what they write.

        • We are saved by grace through faith, not of works lest any man should boast.
          We do not go to purgatory. We do not earn our way by any means. Jesus is the only mediator between God and man, a priest is not a mediator. The pope teaches that there is no salvation apart from him. Jesus said I am the only way. The Catholic church is not a denomination, but an abomination. It is contrary to Christianity. There may be some saved in the Catholic Church, but the doctrine the church itself teaches is anti-Christ without a doubt.

          • @Jay,

            You have said a series of incoherent and wild claims:

            “We are saved by grace through faith.”
            Not true: “…Follow the commands, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, do not steal, do not bear false witness, DEFRAUD NOT…” (Mark 10:19)

            “not of works lest any man should boast”
            Not true: “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden.” (Matthew 5:14)

            “We do not go to purgatory.” – who says this?

            “We do not earn our way by any means.”
            Not true: Everyone is saved no matter whether they believe or not (Corinthians 15:22)

            “Jesus is the only mediator between God and man” – who says?

            “The pope teaches that there is no salvation apart from him.” – Where did you learn this?

            “Jesus said I am the only way.”
            Not true – “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick; I have come to call not the righteous but sinners.” Jesus (Mark 2:15-17)

            “the doctrine the church itself teaches
            is anti-Christ without a doubt.”
            That is not possible. All Christians are completely in agreement and all are unified. Otherwise your Bible is telling another lie:
            “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.” (Corinthians 14:33)

            Or are you going to tell me your bible is very wrong?

    • The road to heaven, through Jesus Christ, is very narrow. ‘Religions’ and
      ‘Denominations’ do not qualify. Only being Born Again in Jesus the Christ
      is the ticket. The Vatican hierarchy depend on Mary, the rosary, and other
      ‘patron saints’ for forgiveness and salvation. So all “religions/faiths” are not
      created equal.

      People are not glad that Tony Palmer died per se. It is simply that he facilitated
      the use of false doctrine; possibly causing eternal damnation for many people.

  16. Hi Atheist Max,

    Now you proved to me that Atheist people are sons and daughters of the devil. Because our lord and Savior  Jesus Christ was tempted by your father the devil same way like you trying to do, and you speak just as your father the devil. “Read Matthew, Chapter 4 , The Temptation of Jesus.”

    Atheist Max,
    You want to have these Christian Catholics killed, because  you belong to your father the devil and you willingly carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks in character, because he is a liar and the father of lies. Read John 8:44

    Atheist Max,

    It is also written:

    “When they persecute you in one town, flee to another”.
    Read Matthew, chapter 10:23

    Atheist Max,
    Please take this very seriously,  you are risking your eternal life, and I tell you that Jesus loves you. I am telling you that Jesus loves you because I know that He loves you.
    You still have time to reject the devil and become a child of God.

    Please let me know if you need help.

    • “You want to have these Christian Catholics killed”
      GOOD GRIEF! That is outrageous. I said no such thing.
      It is Jesus who wants them killed!

      “For whoever wants to save their life will lose it,
      but whoever loses their life FOR ME will find it.”
      – Jesus (Matthew 16:25)

      Incoherent Jesus adds this nonsense:
      ‘When they persecute you in one town, flee to another.’ (Matthew, 10:23)

      The IMMORALITY of Jesus is so profound it boggles the mind.
      How could Jesus be so cruel to have made both of those statements?

      DIE FOR ME. BUT YOU ARE FREE TO RUN AWAY INSTEAD.

      And who are these Christians in the desert you talk of
      “who choose to FIGHT?”
      What happened to loving their enemies?
      What happened to forgive not 7 times but 70 times 7?
      What happened to offer the other cheek?

      There is no ‘eternal life’ to risk. That is a superstition.
      These Christians must run away from these persecutors
      or convert to Islam – and why not? They don’t believe in Jesus anyway! (nobody really does)

      • Atheist Max,

        I must say that I really do believe and trust in Jesus the Christ. I know that there are millions/billions more; deceased and alive, who are Born Again
        as well. I have a ‘relationship’ with Him, it is not considered a religion.

        FYI… Islam was created by the Catholic Church. I know it is hard to believe, but in the 3rd thru 6th century AD, the Vatican was growing in power, and would not accept any opposition. Two strongholds at that time were the Jewish and True Christian (not catholic) faiths. In addition, the
        Vatican had their eye on conquering Jerusalem, and the Jewish temple, simply for its biblical religious significance.

        A few Arabs (Ishmael descendants) had become Roman Catholics and were used as spies on catholic rejecting Arabs. The Vatican wanted to
        ‘create’ a messiah/holy man for the Arab people; of whom they could control. In turn, this Arab Messiah would raise up an army that would
        ultimately capture Jerusalem covertly for the Vatican.
        A wealthy Arabian woman named Khadijah, who was a catholic convert, was given the assignment to marry an intelligent, yet inexperienced Arab,
        that could be molded into “The Messiah”, and create a new religion for the Arab people…under the control of the Vatican of course. The ‘stool pigeon’
        was named Muhammed. He was trained and groomed in the ‘works’ and teachings of the Catholic patriarch St. Augustine. He believed that the Catholics were the only true Christians, and all other Christians were imposters, since the Pope claimed to be God’s representative on earth. He was also told that the Jewish people were his natural half-blooded enemies. Vatican money and polish made Muhammed a trusted leader amongst his people. His dreams were written down ‘interpreted’ by Roman Catholics, and these writings became the ‘holy’ book called the “Koran”.
        The Arabs already revered the heavenly bodies, so Muhammed decided
        to make the moon god called “Allah” his favorite, and with the urging of the Vatican, called himself Allah’s prophet. The plan was for the Arab/Muslims
        to conquer N. Africa (a strong anti catholic hold-out) and other non-western countries; Subdue the Jews and Christians; Relinquish Jerusalem to the Vatican. The Muslims were very successful with their conquering campaigns. They were allowed to build mosques in Catholic countries
        without Vatican interference, and all was well as long as Catholicism could
        spread throughout Arab countries.

        But…as life would have it…the Vatican plan backfired.
        The Arabs became power hungry throughout time. They wanted to
        conquer the world for their god Allah. They soon set their sights on Europe.
        The Vatican was incensed. Sharing power in Europe with Arab ‘heathens’
        was out of the question. This started what is now called “The Crusades”.
        A war between the Vatican Army and Muhammed’s people. An evil plan gone awry. The Arab armies went into Europe anyway and invaded Spain,
        Portugal, and Turkey. This is why there is heavy Muslim influence in these
        countries today.

        This information comes from an ex-Jesuit Catholic Priest, Dr. Alberto Rivera,
        amongst other sources. You can read and hear more of his expose’s on
        YOUTUBE. After his departure from the Catholic faith, and his subsequent
        tell-all seminars and writings, he was killed.
        Islam is a Vatican made religion, do not be fooled. Socialism, Communism,
        Capitalism, and Fascism, are political, socio/economic ideologies that also were drafted and are supported by the Vatican. All wars, including the fake 9/11 Iraq disaster, was the brain-child of the Vatican, the Elite, and other secret societies for the purpose of world dominion.
        I pray that you DO take Jesus and His teachings seriously. Ignoring the
        matter will not save you on Judgment Day. Our only hope is Jesus the Messiah.

        • @J. Larraine,

          “I really do believe and trust in Jesus the Christ. I know that there are millions/billions more; deceased and alive, who are Born Again
          as well. I have a ‘relationship’ with Him, it is not considered a religion.”

          Wow.
          Well if Christianity isn’t a religion we better start taxing the churches.
          What do you think?

          You are spewing wild claims out into the ether.

          You might as well be typing something like this:

          “though leprechauns claim to be leaders of the world, their magic purple mushrooms keep them from attaining visibility.”

          Your lack of understanding about how reality works
          is typical of the religious mind.

  17. After reading the other comments here I now know why there is so much hatred and evil in the world. Sadly you people seem to make judgement calls before knowing the truth.
    God bless Bishop Tony and Pope Francis. Our Creator is Love itself. These two men embody that. The Bishop is quite alive in Heaven.
    Too bad some of you won’t ever get there to join some of the finest people the world has ever known and God had ever created!
    Guess many of you just enjoy being grinches. Grow up and start studying the scripture and the early church fathers! And please don’t talk from your obvious and sad ignorance. No wonder this world is so confused.
    You ought to go to a starving poor country and spend a year there serving and helping the sick and dying. It would change your perspective on life and give you a purpose.
    I pray that you misinformed and judgemental persons see the light before it is too late for you.
    I will pray for your souls.
    Be joyous! Love God and your fellow man. That is a much better way to live.

    • @Mimi,

      “You ought to go to a starving poor country and spend a year there serving and helping the sick and dying.”

      22,000 Doctors, most of whom are ATHEISTS, are doing that EVERY DAY
      volunteering for Doctors Without Borders and countless other Atheist and non-religious charities around the world.

      Meanwhile Catholic Charities ensured the deaths of 20 MILLION people in Africa as they died from lack of access to condoms in the clinics!
      Even though the Pope knew condoms would prevent AIDS he said, “AIDS is bad BUT CONDOMS ARE WORSE”

      Shameful, horrible nonsense from the ‘vicar of christ’.
      20 Million DEAD.
      How many soup kitchens could ever level that disgrace?

    • MiMi,

      If you examine the scriptures closely, you will find out that we are living in
      the final days of this world system. We are in a war with satanic evil and disinformation. Jesus told us to ‘occupy’ until He returns. This means we must spread His true gospel, battle evil and sin, as well as feed the hungry, and
      assist the needy.

  18. Holy Gospel of Jesus Christ according to Saint Matthew 13:24-30.
    Jesus proposed another parable to the crowds. “The kingdom of heaven may be likened to a man who sowed good seed in his field.
    While everyone was asleep his enemy came and sowed weeds all through the wheat, and then went off.
    When the crop grew and bore fruit, the weeds appeared as well.
    The slaves of the householder came to him and said, ‘Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? Where have the weeds come from?’
    He answered, ‘An enemy has done this.’ His slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’
    He replied, ‘No, if you pull up the weeds you might uproot the wheat along with them.
    Let them grow together until harvest; then at harvest time I will say to the harvesters, “First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles for burning; but gather the wheat into my barn.”‘”

    Copyright © Confraternity of Christian Doctrine, USCCB

    Commentary of the day :

    Saint John Chrysostom (c.345-407), priest at Antioch then Bishop of Constantinople, Doctor of the Church
    Homilies on Saint Matthew’s Gospel, no. 46, 1-2

    The parable of the weeds

    It is always the devil’s way to mix the truth with errors draped in the outward appearance and hues of truth, in such a way as more easily to lead astray those who permit themselves to be deceived. That is why our Lord only speaks of weeds, since these are plants that look like wheat. He then describes how the enemy goes about deceiving “while people are sleeping”. From this we see the serious danger run by leaders in the Church, especially those to whom has been entrusted the care of the field. Moreover, this danger does not only threaten leaders but their subordinates too. And this also shows us how error follows truth; false prophets follow the true… Christ tells us this to teach us not to fall asleep…, from which there arises the need of vigilant watching. Which is why he said elsewhere: “Whoever stands firm to the end will be saved” (Mt 10,22)…

    Now consider the servants’ zeal: they want to pull out the weeds at once. Even if they fail to think it through this does at least prove their care for the good seed. They are only concerned about one thing: not to avenge themselves on the one who had sown the weeds but to save the harvest… What does the Lord say? “Not yet” A splendid response that forbids wars, violence, bloodshed for the sake of the Church. Yes, the life of heretics must be spared, otherwise endless wars and divisions flare up everywhere. “Wait for the right time… Be patient. For perhaps they will leave the darkness of their error and instead of weeds they will become pure wheat… So if you pull them up now you will damage the future harvest by pulling up the ones that may change to something better.”

    • @Joseph,

      By what authority do you claim the doubters of religion
      to be ‘deceivers’?

      These are some other Gods who “existed” before Jesus
      yet they do not “exist” anymore:

      Zeus
      Thor
      Osiris
      Isis
      Aphrodite
      Neptune

      I doubt these gods exist. Don’t you?
      Why doesn’t that make you the deceiver?
      How else would one approach the real world?

      This is childish nonsense.

  19. Hi Atheist Max,

    You said “How could Jesus be so cruel to have made both of those statements”

    Please read
    Acts 8:27-35

    Saint Phillip asks the Ethiopian Eunuch, “Thinkest thou that thou understandest what thou readest?” and the
    Eunuch answered, “How can I lest someone show me?”

    Dear Atheist Max, you need someone to help you so you can understand the bible.

    If you are serious about your eternal life, then you need to humble yourself and go to the nearest Catholic Church in your area and ask them to help you come back to your heavenly Father.

    • @Joseph,

      I have not been clear, I guess.

      Christianity (not christians themselves) is a virus. It is a disgraceful enterprise, a historical blunder and nothing more than a parlor trick.

      I renounce ‘eternal life’ as well as ‘the holy spirit’ as ridiculous, outrageous superstitions and the entire foolishness of religion is acting as nothing but a cancer on humanity.

      I fully embrace YOUR FREEDOM and YOUR RIGHT to believe it.
      But I also think religion must be abandoned by people on their own volition after being educated to the truth of life.

      No idea in humanity has been more dangerous and foolish than the pretense that a god exists.

      • Hi Atheist Max,

        I don’t believe that the current president of the United States of America is president Obama. But someone may argue with me otherwise. But I say president Obama does not exist unless I personally see him in the white house. But to see him, I have to travel to the white house and when I get there, the FBI has to do a background check on me to make sure that I have a clean criminal record and then the secret service will search me to make sure I have no weapons on me and then I have to wait several hours before meeting with the president of the United States.

        Same way with God.
        If you really want to see and know God (the creator of heaven and earth and everything we see and do not see) then you have to follow certain rules.

        Please read John chapter, 14:21

        “Whoever has my commandments and observes them is the one who loves me. And whoever loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and reveal myself to him.”

        Dear Atheist Max,

          God does exist. He has revealed himself to me. I am sure that He will reveal himself to you too if you do what He said in his Gospel, John chapter, 14:21.

        Atheist Max,
        From now on you can not say that God does not exist because God does exist but it is your choice to see and know God or not. Also keep in mind that God doesn’t force you to know or love him and He has created us with free will.

        Again I say to you, If you care about your eternal life, then you need to humble yourself and go to the nearest Catholic Church in your area and ask them to help you come back to your heavenly Father.

        • @Joseph,

          Authority, obedience and fear.
          That is all you offer.

          I was a Catholic for 44 years. I was sure that Jesus was real.
          But if the faith of a Catholic is valid by personal testimony
          Then Al Queda’s faith in Allah must be valid, too.

          Pretending that God is real comes at a very high price indeed.
          I won’t pay it.

          • Hi Atheist Max,

            If anyone wants to see and know God (the creator of heaven and earth and everything we see and do not see) then they have to follow certain rules.

            Please read John chapter, 14:21

            “Whoever has my commandments and observes them is the one who loves me. And whoever loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and reveal myself to him.”

            God does exist, but it is your choice to see and know God or not. Also God doesn’t force you to know or love him and He has created us with free will.

            Please keep in mind that I don’t make any money if you believe in God or not.

          • Hi Joseph,
            I have a list of a hundred things I must do
            in order to enter heaven and most of them are very immoral.

            “Whoever has my commandments and observes them is the one who loves me.”- Jesus (John 14:21)

            What commandments are these?
            Well, that is a very long list, indeed.

            It includes Leviticus:
            “do not defraud” – Jesus (Mark 10:19)(Lev 19:1)
            And apparently all of the
            602 Stoning laws:
            “I have not come to abolish the law”
            “become like a child”
            “eat of my body”
            “follow the commandments”
            “hate everyone and life itself.”
            ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart’
            “Fear the Lord”
            ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.'”
            ‘Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.'”
            “Sell everything you have and give to the poor”

            Then in John 6:53-58 Jesus gives an additional requirement:

            “Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. …but he who feeds on this bread will live forever.”

            And it totally contradicts what Jesus
            just told the two guys in Luke 10 and Luke 18.

            And what about Matthew 18:2-3? :
            “He called a little child and had him stand among them.
            And [Jesus] said: “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.”

            How, does one “become like little children?”
            What does this mean? Jesus does not say, making this requirement totally nebulous.

            But is it true? If you “become like little children”,
            do you get to go to heaven?

            No, actually not.
            In reality you have to be “born again”.

            In John 3:3-8 Jesus says:

            “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God
            unless he is born again.”
            “How can a man be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb to be born!”

            Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit….You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.'”

            That is as foggy as it gets!
            But that is what Jesus says, and it totally contradicts all the other stuff he said.

            Ignore the contradiction for a moment.
            Is this true?

            NOPE!.. Jesus is wrong again.
            Because in Matthew 5:17-20 Jesus says something else:

            “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. ANYONE WHO BREAKS ONE of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.”

            So NOW IT IS OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS,
            and our adherence to the laws of the old testament must exceed that of the Pharisees in order to enter the kingdom of heaven.
            Which means we need to start killing a whole lot of people.

            And then there is John 3:16:

            “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

            So which is it? Belief? Is that all it takes?
            OR THIS LONG LIST OF LAWS AND RULES FROM ANCIENT TIMES?
            What do you have to do to have eternal life and go to heaven?

            There are probably 50 other stipulations
            scattered throughout the Bible.
            There is no way to know which is right,
            and they all contradict each other.

            Now that you have looked at all this stuff,
            one thing should be crystal clear:

            Jesus had absolutely no idea what he was talking about.

        • @ Joseph

          I was agreeing with your testimony to Atheist Max…until you suggested
          he go to the nearest Catholic Church for salvation and edification.
          The people not withstanding; It is the ‘churches’ doctrinal issues that
          fall flat in the purifying light of God’s word.

          p.s. The Vatican even eliminated one of God’s 10 commandments. The 2nd law that tells us not to use statues/idols/images in our worship, or bow down to them for any reason. We are also not supposed to call anyone “father”, or put anyone in the position of our Lord and Savior Jesus the Christ.

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  21. This man is NOT in the Kingdom of G-d…..as it is written….those who mix idol worship with worship of the ONLY LIVING G-D will never even see the Kingdom of G-d much less enter in.

    Zephaniah 1:5 And them that worship the host of heaven upon the housetops; and them that worship and that swear by the LORD, and that swear by Molech;

    Zephaniah 1:2 I will utterly consume all things from off the land, saith the LORD.

  22. I was saddened to hear of Tony Palmer’s death and pray that his family will be comforted. I have no reason to doubt his sincerity or the sincerity of Pope
    Francis in seeking “unity”. However, there is still an enormous divide between those Christians who rely solely on the Bible for doctrine and the Roman Catholic Church, which still maintains that one must perform good works to be saved (works as a basis for salvation rather than fruit of salvation). There are many other reasons for this divide, such as the Marian devotion, purgatory, etc.

  23. Hi Atheist Max,

    The reason you are totally lost and confused and can’t find the truth is because you are relying on the Bible alone.

    The Bible tells us that the devil uses the Bible to deceive people and leads them away from God.

    Please read Matthew,  chapter 4
    1
    Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil.
    2
    He fasted for forty days and forty nights, and afterwards he was hungry.
    3
    The tempter approached and said to him, “If you are the Son of God, command that these stones become loaves of bread.”
    4
    He said in reply, “It is written:

    ‘One does not live by bread alone,
    but by every word that comes forth from the mouth of God.’”
    5
    Then the devil took him to the holy city, and made him stand on the parapet of the temple,
    6
    and said to him, “If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down. FOR IT IS WRITTEN:
    ‘He will command his angels concerning you’
    and ‘with their hands they will support you,
    lest you dash your foot against a stone.’”

    7
    Jesus answered him, “Again it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord, your God, to the test.’”
    8
    Then the devil took him up to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in their magnificence,
    9
    and he said to him, “All these I shall give to you, if you will prostrate yourself and worship me.”*
    10
    At this, Jesus said to him, “Get away, Satan! It is written:
    ‘The Lord, your God, shall you worship
    and him alone shall you serve.’”
    11
    Then the devil left him and, behold, angels came and ministered to him.

    Atheist Max,

    The Bible tells us that it is difficult to understand the Bible and a disciple of Jesus needs to help you when reading the Bible.

    Please read:
    Acts 8:27-35

    “Do you understand what you are reading?” And he said, “Well, how could I, unless someone guides me?”

    Atheist Max,

    Jesus told His apostles to TEACH all nations to observe all that He has commanded them and did Not say to print a bunch of Bibles and give them to people to read.

    Please read
    Matthew 28:19-20

    19
    Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit,
    20
    teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.* And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age.”

    Also, the Bible tells us:

    All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for Teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect (complete, adequate, competent), equipped for every good work. [2 Tim. 3:16-17

    Atheist Max, 

    Our lord and Savior Jesus Christ said:

    “The truth will set you free”

    Atheist Max, 

    I understand fully why you are very confused and frustrated, because the devil is working very hard to deceive and confuse people and the devil has  given people the idea to only rely on the Bible so that they will never find the “Truth” and stay away from God.

    Atheist Max,

    All you need to do is go back to the Catholic Church, which the Bible calls

    “the pillar and foundation of truth”
    (1 Tim. 3:15),

    and the Truth will set you Free

      • Hi Atheist Max,

        Satan uses the Bible out of context to further his own agenda.

        Therefore someone may ask. How can I find the truth?

        The truth is with the Catholic Church, which the Bible calls

        “the pillar and foundation of truth”
        (1 Tim. 3:15),

          • The Church Is Catholic (Matt. 28:19–20, Rev. 5:9–10, CCC 830–856)

            Jesus’ Church is called catholic (“universal” in Greek) because it is his gift to all people. He told his apostles to go throughout the world and make disciples of “all nations” (Matt. 28:19–20).

            For 2,000 years the Catholic Church has carried out this mission, preaching the good news that Christ died for all men and that he wants all of us to be members of his universal family (Gal. 3:28).

            Nowadays the Catholic Church is found in every country of the world and is still sending out missionaries to “make disciples of all nations” (Matt. 28:19).

            The Church Jesus established was known by its most common title, “the Catholic Church,” at least as early as the year 107, when Ignatius of Antioch used that title to describe the one Church Jesus founded. The title apparently was old in Ignatius’s time, which means it probably went all the way back to the time of the apostles.

  24. Hi Atheist Max,

    Jesus did not leave a book; He left a Church.

    Finding answers in the Bible is not quite as simple as you seem to believe. If that were so, there would not be the over three thousand non-Catholic Christian churches divided by their differing interpretations of Scripture; each insisting that its interpretations are the correct ones?

    It ought to be remembered that Jesus did not leave a book; He left a Church. It was the Church that compiled the New Testament and determined which books would be included in it or not. It was the Church that taught the truths of the faith while the New Testament was being written. By Church, I mean the Catholic Church; there was no other. While remaining the world’s largest Christian church, the Catholic Church maintains a very consistent and unified understanding of the Bible because of the teaching authority that Jesus gave to Saint Peter and to his successors, the popes of Rome.

    Certainly, loving God with all one’s heart, soul and mind and striving to spread the Gospel are necessary and sound quite simple. The actual doing of these things isn’t so simple because we are all bungling sinners and need the Lord’s help to even do a poor job of it, let alone a good one. This is why the Lord instituted the Church: to teach us and to administer to us the graces we need. Remember how long it took the Apostles to get it and they had the Jesus with them in Person! It is the teaching authority of the Church that helps us to understand what Scripture has to teach us. Otherwise, we Catholics would be struggling by ourselves to understand and would be as divided as other Christians.

  25. Sorry, I forgot to tell you that, according to what you wrote: “We already have that ATHEIST country. We own it. It is called America.”, it appears that in your ATHEIST country something strange is happening:
    “Forbidding access to life-saving medical procedures
    Granting corporations the right to enforcing ITS OWN religion on its employees !
    State Legalized Murder of Doctors – South Dakota


    Mandatory Trans-vaginal probes – Virginia Legislature



    Preaching the Bible in public schools – funded by Hobby Lobby


    FORCED PRAYER at Government meetings – Greece, NY and other places.
    Blocking people from family planning – Texas, 5 other states.


    Obstruction of prescriptions – Illinois, Washington



    Discrimination as religious choice -Arizona (SB-1062)



    Anti-Gay laws – Texas
 & elsewhere


    Anti-women’s rights laws – Texas, Louisina, Virginia



    Biased Counseling laws – South Dakota


    Creationism to replace Science Education: 12 States
    “Intelligent Design” to replace Scientific theories
    Science and Climate Change denial legislation”.

    What ATHEIST country are you talking about?

    • @Freeforever,

      “What ATHEIST country are you talking about?”
      America is still godless and it will remain so. Unless I lose.

      Yes, religion is trying to make inroads in American Law.
      Perhaps your religion dream will come true
      and the USA will be run by Islamic Sharia Law? Is that what you want?

      The Supreme Court – through its profoundly ignorant decision
      on Hobby Lobby just granted (BY DEFAULT) the right to ISLAMIC COMPANIES operating in the USA the same right to refuse healthcare coverage that THE CHRISTIAN COMPANIES can now exercise!

      Islamic companies now have the right
      to enforce Islamic Law onto their Health Insurance policies
      for AMERICAN EMPLOYEES!

      You heard correctly.

      THE SUPREME COURT has opened the way for Islamic Companies to enact Sharia Law over their American Employees. And you can’t do anything about it!

      CONGRATULATIONS! THE LOSS IS NOT ONLY MINE – BUT YOURS TOO!

      Because your dumb churches have been Jonesing for such idiotic religious government programs NOT REALIZING that what is good for one religion will be granted to others.

      You are too unaware of, too unlettered and too disrespectful
      of your own rights
      to lift a finger.

  26. I’m still laughing! See you when you get back, if you can, from your very long journey!!!! By the way, you were talking with someone that has nothing to do with religionists, they’re not my cup of tea! Surprised, isn’t it?

  27. Hi Atheist Max,

    You just ansewered Yourself as to why You see no proof of God existence.

    You said:

    “I hope your belief is not based on any of these reasons:

    4.  “Wasn’t based on a vision of Jesus, a personal contact, a sighting of God or an angel, because that would take away your free will.”

    So now You know why God does not show himself or give a 100% proof of his existence because that will take away people’s free will.
    However,  God will reveal himself to people who want to know him and see him because that would be the people’s free will.

    Please read John chapter, 14:21

    “Whoever has my commandments and observes them is the one who loves me. And whoever loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and reveal myself to him.”

    When we observes Jesus’ commandments, it is us that are searching for God and it is our free will. And God will reveal himself to the people who seek him.

    Please read Hebrews 11:6

    “But without faith it is impossible to please him, for anyone who approaches God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.”

    Please read Deuteronomy 4:29

    “Yet when you seek the LORD, your God, from there, you shall indeed find him if you search after him with all your heart and soul.”

    Conclusion:

    The reason I know of God existence is because I with my free will, searched for God and believed in what he promised so He rewarded me by revealing Himself to me.

    But for You Atheist Max, if you continue denying God existence then You will Never see God, not now and not for eternity

  28. I like the Pope’s and Tony Palmer’s idea of unity if it means he (Tony) will become Roman Catholic, he and his followers in the Anglican church.

    If this isn’t what the pope was referring to regarding ‘unity’, then what? What does he mean exactly? What would this so called unity look like?

    Any help would be appreciated.

  29. The truth is that Anthony Palmer was an alien, from the reptilian race that lives in the underground of the Archuleta area in Dulce, New Mexico. His body is being cloned again to continued the task of the religion union which is in the agenda of the new world order. He will appear again after the III WW.

  30. reading these comments, I believe some people are afraid that “believers in jesus” will be unite again and can’t be ignored anymore, there are a lot of people trying to destroy the church for their own goals and it is surely not for the benefit of humanity…so if you want to know…you can decieve us…but our souls belongs to god and we believe in the message and in the acts of jesus..

  31. Hi,
    In about the year 1517 Martin Luther began his break away from the Catholic Church. In doing so he started what is known as the Protestant Reformation.

    Someone might ask.

    The break away of the Protestant Church from the Catholic Church, is it from God or from the devil?

    We know that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ built One Church (Catholic Church).
    Please read Matthew chapter 16:18

    “And so I say to you, you are Peter (which means ‘rock’), and upon this rock I will build my church.”

    Please notice that our Lord said my church (singular,  one church) and He did not say churches.

    Also, we know that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ wants all Christians to be one.

    Please read John chapter 17

    “so that they may all be one (one Church), as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me.”

    Now it is clear to us that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ wants one Church.

    Also, Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ said:
    “By their fruits you will know them”
    Matthew chapter 7:16

    So what is the fruit of the break away?

    After the break away,  the Catholic Church still is one church.  But now there are over 25,000 protestant churches and they all disagree with each other doctrine on one or more issues.

    Therefore,  The break away of the Protestant Church from the Catholic Church is against the will of God.
    And if it is against the will of God,  then it is from the devil.

    Please read Matthew chapter 7:21

    “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven,* but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.

    Now it is clear to us that the will of the Father is to have One Church.
    Therefore, all Christians must work very hard to fulfill the will of the Father (One Church).

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