(RNS) The nation’s second largest Christian book retailer has pulled megachurch pastor Mark Driscoll’s books from its website and 186 stores.

Driscoll has been an influential but edgy pastor within conservative evangelical circles for several years.

Driscoll has been an influential but edgy pastor within conservative evangelical circles for several years. Photo courtesy of Mars Hill Church


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Leaders at the Southern Baptist Convention’s LifeWay Christian Resources, informed stores on Friday to stop selling books by the Seattle pastor who has been in hot water.

Last week, leaders of the church planting network Acts 29 removed Driscoll and his churches from the group he helped found and asked that he “step down from ministry for an extended time and seek help.”

Driscoll has been an influential but edgy pastor within conservative evangelical circles for several years. His Mars Hill Church attracts some 14,000 people at 15 locations across five states. He has been provocative, occasionally profane and has faced allegations of plagiarism and inflating book sales.

The mushrooming set of allegations led the publishing arm to suspend sales while it “monitors the developments of his ministry,” said LifeWay media relations manager Marty King.

LifeWay Christian Stores logo, courtesy of LifeWay.

LifeWay Christian Stores logo, courtesy of LifeWay.


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“It was a cumulative effect,” King said. “The Acts 29 leadership asking him to step down was certainly a part of that.”

At the time of the decision, LifeWay’s stores were selling just one of Driscoll’s titles, “A Call to Resurgence,” King said.

A spokesperson for Mars Hill did not respond to LifeWay’s decision.

Driscoll recently admitted to and apologized for crude comments he made about feminism, homosexuality and “sensitive emasculated” men on an online discussion forum under the pseudonym “William Wallace II.”

Blogger Warren Throckmorton, who broke the news, has also reported allegations from former ministers that Driscoll publicly asked their wives about their favorite sexual position.

Acts 29’s decision was unusual because ministries usually leave matters of church discipline up to local churches. But a letter from Acts 29’s board suggested that it could not lean on Mars Hill’s own board to discipline Driscoll. The Acts 29 statement came after evangelical leaders Paul Tripp and James MacDonald resigned as members of the church governing board.

In 2012, LifeWay halted sales of a breast cancer awareness Bible tied to the Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation, an organization that has drawn controversy for its partnership with Planned Parenthood. The same year, it pulled “The Blind Side” from shelves after complaints over the film’s profanity and use of a racial slur.

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25 Comments

  1. Man, I don’t know who this guy ticked off (*) but it must have been someone important. With the pile-on he is currently experiencing, you’d think he was one of the dreaded “New Atheists” rather than a bog-standard Evangelical. He may soon replace Richard Dawkins as the Emmanuel Goldstein stand-in of choice around here. Let the Two-Minute Hate begin!

    (*) Apparently he made disparaging comments about women and gay people, but how does that distinguish him from all the religious figures who get a free pass on this?

    • ” Apparently he made disparaging comments about women and gay people, but how does that distinguish him from all the religious figures who get a free pass on this?”

      My guess is he ticked off someone high up in the evangelical circles as well. Annoying women and gay people usually goes under the radar with that crowd. This kind of ostracism probably usually means you angered your own.

  2. Chaplain Martin

    Mark Driscoll removed from Acts 29

    One down many to go. Developing a Church into a personally cult usually ends in a scandal.

    Imagine the thousands and thousands of pastors serving struggling churches everyday. They visit the sick, comfort the grieving, do ministry to the elderly, calm down the anxious, attempt to mollify the disgruntled, and somehow provide for their familes on low pay. If he or she turns on the TV to a religious broadcast, there he is Mark Driscoll once again spewing his anger and sexual degrading comments and then asking forgiveness as the crowd holds on his every word and pays him well for it.

    The pastor may think at view such: “Lord, I’m beginning to think the world is really going to hell in a hand basket.”

    The cult of the charismatic leaders goes on and on where it stops, well probably not since such as existed for such a long time exacerbated by modern media social pathology.

  3. I’m an SBC pastor. My question is this: since they’ve begun cleaning house, will Lifeway now begin to purge their shelves of the heretical books they carry? Just this week at our local store they had John Hagee books front and center — right when you first walk in the store. They also have a large selection of Joel Osteen and T.D. Jakes. Driscoll is aberrant theologically in many ways, and has certainly demonstrated questionable character/integrity (such that I think he probably has disqualified himself for eldership, at least for now). But whatever problems he may have doctrinally, he is not a heretic in terms of departing from the fundamentals of the Nicene Creed. However, the men mentioned above are true heretics in the classic sense of the word — yet their books remain on the shelves. What is Lifeway’s rationale?

    • I’m with you on that! I last visited a Lifeway store in late June, and a Family Christian store a few weeks before that, and all I could think of was two things:

      For we are not as many, which make merchandise of the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God, speak we in Christ.
      — 2 Corinthians 2:17, Geneva Bible
      And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple … and said unto them … “Take these things hence; make not my Father’s house an house of merchandise.”—John 2:15-16, KJV

      and Yogurt from Spaceballs–“Merchandising! Merchandising!”

      I have often compared the Christian book industry to golf pro shops; all you really need are some clubs and a few golf balls, but if you want the golf shirts, the spiky shoes and all of the frills, you can spend a fortune.

      My simple question is this: shouldn’t all of the books be a cheap as possible, instead of $22 to $25 a crack? Also, who really needs all the decorations and all of the “stuff”?

      Merchandising! That is why the Osteen/Copeland/Hagee/Meyer books sell so well, because people want what’s on the Master’s table, not the Master.

    • The problem is that is exactly what Mark has done. He has cast stones and directed others to do the same. He has kicked other pastors out of his Church simply for disagreeing with him by asking that he also be held accountable to the Church. But Mark Driscoll sees himself as the Daddy of his Church, and we all know that children never discipline their parents.

      So Daddy Pastor Mark can kick others out for asking that he be held accountable but his BOAA gives him free pass, when he lied about being on the New York Times best seller list that he cheated to get on by stealing his congregations tithe money to buy the spot. Furthermore all of those things were premeditated and took significant planning to carry out, so it wasn’t like the pastor who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and cheated on his wife, although that is no less of a sin.

  4. Mark Driscoll has been able to reach out to a demographic of humanity that the church overlooks and throws to the side. Our youth! It seems in most churches you have to be perfect to attend, when it clearly states in the bible that the #1 commandment is to love God with all your heart, mind & soul! And the #2 love your neighbor and yourself! It is Jesus who saves us not preachers and mark Driscoll makes that clear! Come as you are and look toward God and lean on him Jesus will take care of the rest! Not the Christian church who is now slowly turning into the Catholic Church hungry for power and abusive rule! There is a new kind of pastor on the horizon a no [expletive deleted], no lies, no f’n “make our own rules” this is God’s children and everyone deserves to hear the word and get salivation not just a chosen few the “church sees fit”

    • I was a former member of Mars Hill and I disagree with some people’s protection of Mark Driscoll. I have personally witnessed Mark be judgmental, unloving, unaccepting, and abusive (in the pit and off). I have heard men come out of his training saying negative/abusive comments out of anger.

      Many in his circle grieve and are praying for change. I have also read Mark’s blogs and other media which he feels he needs to vent… some of his comment and insight are downright disgusting. I have grieved over the revelation of this truth and didn’t want to believe it at first. I turned my back and defended him. However, with time, the truth is exactly what set me free.

      Jesus was nothing like Mark Driscoll. So for one to say the following is unacceptable (and I quote from Dallas Jene who commented in this thread), “There is a new kind of pastor on the horizon a no [expletive deleted], no lies, no f’n “make our own rules”.

      Mark does make his own rules and has been left off-leash with no accountability platform to keep him in check. When questioned (out-of-love) he has been nothing short of a pit bull; throwing people out of the church, yelling, swearing, etc. He has been hurting and wrecking hearts along his path. Worst, he blogged about how Ted Haggard’s wife was partially to blame for her cheating husband’s behavior (who was a pastor). Mark Driscoll blogged: “A wife who lets herself go and is not sexually available to her husband in the ways that the Song of Songs is so frank about is not responsible for her husband’s sin, but she may not be helping him either.”

      Mark received a phone call from Ted Haggard’s daughter. How dare he illicit such a response.

      Jesus would never do such a thing. His ministry had one outbreak and that was against religious zealots selling items for profit at the temple. Hmmmm… doesn’t Mark Driscoll sell his own books in his bookstore at each location? One might argue that is acceptable and I might agree (however pushy and financially motivated). Personally, I wouldn’t do it. I would allow Amazon and readers to forward the sales of my book.

      But, what is unGodly is Mark doing a 3-month sermon series on his book, “Real Marriage” where everyone bouth his book and discussed it in their community groups. That was the last straw and warranted my exit (which posed difficulty). However, my former personality which defended Mars Hill and Driscoll was stubborn, abusive, and defensive. I was blind, what can I say? Friends and family have confessed I was judgmental, unapproachable, and uninspiring.

      Mark Driscoll does not practice what he preaches. He uses Jesus to further his agenda and to disguise his unethical views. I do believe he needs help and hopefully he will come out of this. He speaks of women behind the scenes in distaste and builds them up sexually for their husbands. However, Mark is not the authority on God (nor is any pastor). Jesus is. Mark is clueless about people who cannot perform sexually (disabled, the elderly, the handicapped, etc.) I brought a man in a wheelchair to Mars Hill and we were asked to move from our seating. We sat in the middle-center, but security asked us to move. I refused, but received harsh scrutiny. People…, Mars Hill is all about sex and sexy-image (Sex being that the woman be sexy for her husband. Google searches on his sermons about this).

      When a friend brought a homeloess woman whom she just met at a stoplight in Bellevue begging for money… she grabbed the homeless woman and brought her into Mars Hill since she was on her way there for a prayer meeting. It was random, sure. The pastors were having a prayer night; which my friend wanted to attend for the first time. However, my friend and this homeless woman were banned! My friend was so embarrassed by her encounter. The pastors look stunned such a person walked into their front doors. My friend asked for prayer over this woman and that she get some guidance and asked for resources. No one…. no one stepped up. Instead, everyone dispersed and walked away from this woman. My friend shared the embarrassment and cried. She was adamant we leave Mars Hill; but yet, I was unwilling to see the truth.

      I guess in some way… I wanted Mars Hill to be this sexy, alluring, hipster church where I could be with people of my caliber (although I serve with foster kids, underprivileged youth and have practied interrlational relationships).

      I do not accept people are to be silent and not discuss their truth. It’s important for humans who’ve been ousted, wronged or hurt to purge their feelings. It is a right of passage and God hopes for the perpetrator to hear that hurt and see the effect their behavior and/or actions has caused another. Without truth, you have lies. “Covering up” pastoral or church behavior deserves exactly what it gets. Heck, we are all guilty of covering up at a local level with those in our life we’re loyal to. It is human nature to become defensive for what we love and/or to defend a husband’s or wife’s character no matter the wrong.

      It’s hard to see the truth when we are blinded by love for another. However, Jesus doesn’t need a bunch of men or women covering up something in order to save the Word. Jesus is bigger, better, and more than that. He will not accept this behavior… but then again, we all fall short.

      Let’s allow our shortcomings to be told so we may learn. It’s at the bottom we are able to find our way out. If one is constantly protected by a group of people… than how can one grow? I believe all of the negative media on Mark can be a blessing if he listens and actually is sorrowful for his behavior (all of it). That is the precipice of entering the Kingdom. Not this judgmental, negative, hateful, spiteful, demeaning, no tolerance kind of attitude. Jesus NEVER exhibited such behavior. Did he ever ask anyone what their sexuality was before loving them? NEVER. Oh my gosh… he advocated for a prostitute from being stoned, a tax collector from being unwelcomed in the presence of Jesus, etc.

      I listen to Jesus. He never went after the prostitute and made sure she repented and controlled her every move. Isn’t that something? Jesus watched her leave and never asked any of the disciples nor people in her community to make sure she was monitored, controlled, etc.

      He rushed to love, help, and defy religion/hierarchal regimes; yet humanity has blown it again just like the pharisees and beyond. We don’t need a building with numbers on it to commune with Jesus. He made that very clear. Mars Hill is all about Mars Hill. They are focused on their brand and perfection. They implement a zero-tolerance policy on sin (except their own). I’ve known many people who have asked for prayer and did not receive it because the elders and pastors decided they wanted he church to move in a direction where we first made sure the person didn’t have any unconfessed sin in their lives. They pushed that onto Community Group leaders… and people weren’t getting prayer; instead being questioned about possible unconfessed sin being the reason they needed prayer. I have witnessed horror and grief with people because they feel they can’t measure up within the environment of Mars Hill.

      Goodness… I’ve had it with Mars Hill. I’ve had it with American churches and the ego and fame behind it.

      They are controlling, judgmental, and unaccepting. Sure, there are stories where some feel they were accepted; but that does not warrant the behavior, actions, and comments I have witnessed. I thinks it’s important the truth be told… always! The truth is the one-and-only barometer for change. Truth = Jesus. We are all created in His Perfect Image so let go of control and worry about serving orphans, foster-kids, and victims of sex-trafficking. Stop studying the bible three times a week and actually sacrifice your time.

      Want to make a difference? Then go help a single parent move on a Sunday rather than sacrificing your allegiance to a building. I’m so sure God is smiling on your perfect Sunday attendance rather than foregoing the intellectualism and socialism for something hard (your time, your energy, and helping a stranger you’re not emotionally connected to).

      I hope Mark gets there. Maybe he will. Maybe he won’t. Maybe he will partially. However, it doesn’t mean he gets a free pass from accountability. People should voice their truth. I’m tired of churches lying or misleading the public. No wonder people pull away from religion. They are smart just like Jesus. They smell the fish, the deceit and the phony religion. Stop preaching and get your hands dirty leaders, pastors, elders. Stop boasting about your church name and show your neighbors how you foster kids, mentor emancipated youth, etc. That is far more honored than preaching a bible without actions or heart to back up the the lordship pastors have been able to get away with.

      Jesus is not about making sure the faults of church-goers goes unnoticed solely to further his Word. This is God we’re speaking of! He doesn’t need the building to live in humans. His Spirit is everywhere with everyone who wishes to see it. Thank goodness he defied religion and tore the veil!

      People… we don’t need a building nor a pastor to feed us. We need Jesus. I’m tired of people becoming so busy with the building and ignoring the orphans, widows, and foster-children. We are wasting our time arguing about elementary fundamentals, and getting caught up in whose right/wrong or better yet which pastor is a sexier/stronger speaker. God is not about pastors!!! He’s about the common folk!

      Instead, most people are not stepping up to God’s Plan and Design. If people think their perfect marriage is all we are asked to honor: you’re mistaken. Remember…, it is easy to love and do for our inner-circle. But, to stretch yourselves (and your time) to go outside of your church, community group, and Sunday attendance to actually serve orphans or foster kids is where God separated the truth from the lies.

      God is about Action. Not words. He’s about Love for your neighbor or towards your enemy; not about how much you love your husband or best friend (which is easy). He called us to a higher calling which I have yet to see in upper-class American churches. Do not listen to the lies… instead… go out and love. Yes, I am a foster-parent. It’s hard.. but these kids need us. Jesus knew that. I dare Mark Driscoll or his wife to be TRUE EXAMPLES of Christ and become foster parents, adopt, and give their time to the community outside of Mars Hill. If you can’t sacrifice your life for the actual Word of God which is this… then you have no authority! People see the bull with pastors and churches and I say.. good for them!

      Call them out! Geese Louise… change already! Humans respond to love and beauty. When you see a family serving from altruism; it is inspiring. Altruism is God. I’m tired of churches using their brand to act like it was the brand that helped this person or that. For example, every Sunday at most churches, you get to see a video about someone’s life being highlighted. They claim God, but instead of giving it up solely to God, they use the church’s name (i.e., “Because of Mars Hill I’ve grown, because of City Church, because of the Catholic Faith, etc). Unacceptable. Their is no humility under such behavior. There is no example with celebrity pastors.
      Let the truth be the truth; for every one of us. But, let’s allow love and grace to lead our lives. However, God never asked us to accept behavior like that of Mark Driscoll. We can get in God’s way by controlling, manipulating and hiding the facts. I’m proud of those who have stood up publically against this church and it’s pastor. It’s about time. It’s when we start being real we can relate. God is relatable and lovable. Period.

      I have more respest for non-religous people because they do from more: numerically, socially, and altruistically.

      • You don’t really think people are going to sit and read what you consider your personal blog, which is simply the rantings of an inbred foul mouthed Obama voting, wanna’ be intellectual. . . . do you?
        And three in row even? My, My, My. . . . I bet you’re one of those face talkers person, one who never knows when to shut it’s flapjaw?

        • @Mary Bell,

          Freedom of speech. You endorse it for your point of view
          but not anyone else.

          Are you afraid of non-religious viewpoints?
          Does it frighten you that people can so easily dismiss your great big giant in the sky?

        • Clearly, Carl has been wounded by his experience at Mars Hill, and that is exactly the point. He is not even close to being alone in this experience, and the response here from Mary Bell shows why one can’t allow the attitude exercised by Driscoll to set the agenda. First, attacking a critic of Driscoll on the use of vulgarity and profanity is disingenuous at best, given his own proclivity for such language. Frankly, though, the use of such language either by Carl (I didn’t read all of what he wrote, but in the part I did, he did not use that sort of language) or by Driscoll is not nearly as objectionable as the hateful language and tone in this response. Inbred? An attack on his politics, as if these were really relevant (and again, in what I read, Carl didn’t talk about who he had, or even IF he had, voted). A suggestion that Carl must be getting uppity with his use of “smart” words, or references to some thinker or other– because wanting to be an intellectual is what, the worst thing one could aspire to?

          If this is the standard response of those who defend Driscoll, and his leadership of Mars Hill, it’s easy to see both why it has grown the way it has, and to predict the way that it will (and even at this moment IS) falling apart. Meanness spouted by a leader with great charisma (which Driscoll has, if nothing else) will pull lots of folks in the door by creating a strong in-group/out-group dynamic with the world around them, but it cannot last. Eventually, the meanness and arrogance that brought in folks by asserting their superiority to the world will inevitably begin to turn against anyone in the in-group who questions anything at all about that in-group– about beliefs and values, of course, but even about the practical questions of how things are operated. And those who have the ire and mean spirit of the leader(s) turned against them long enough, or often enough, will leave. As their number increases, the ones who leave will become increasingly public, which will in turn only fuel the fire of in-group against them and any other perceived “traitors.”

          This us/them view of the world is seductive, but it ultimately runs counter to the main currents of the Gospel, where Christ welcomes all who come to Him, and even forgives and begs forgiveness for the very people who are killing him. We must turn our judgmental gaze not others, but on ourselves, because we cannot sit in judgement on how God is dealing with anyone except ourselves.

      • You are doing the to the best of your ability explaining what Christ is about but you can’t ignore what happened in the 2nd chapter of Acts which the church first began. Mars Hill and every church today needs to get aligned with the message of the 1st church that started on the Day of Pentecost. And not be removed from it. It was a different church then the one they’ve created today. And that is do Acts 2:38~ Then Peter said unto them, Repent and be baptized “everyone” of you in the “name of Jesus Christ” for the remission of your sins and you “shall” receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (39) For this “Promise” is unto “you” and your “children” and for as many as the Lord our God shall “call”
        There is the answer for the church. Jesus Christ in a nutshell
        Death: repentance
        Burial: baptism in the Name of Jesus ~
        Resurrection: Newness of life…being filled with the power of the Holy Ghost

        May all who haven’t heard this word receive it!

  5. And this is a message to those who think they can control God’s will. If you shut down mark Driscoll guys like me will take the opportunity to pick up where he left off. This is a movement for what the church has been lacking for and afraid of for centuries! This is outreach to the forgeten, the broken, the cast away, the “useless” as some churches put it, the troubled, the exiled and the poor! God has used Driscoll to reach out using the truth the Christian church didn’t want exposed in fear of losing power and rule over other Christians. Arnold Murray is another like minded pastor the Christian church disregards. When you threaten a great power with truth and righteousness they will try and discreted you and cast you off! As Christians we can not let this keep happening! The hight hair, the right clothes, the right words do not make you pleasant in the eyes of The Lord! What have you done to show others his Grace, Love & Mercy!

  6. I was a former member of Mars Hill and I disagree with your description of Mark Driscoll’s character. I have personally witnessed Mark be judgmental, unloving, unaccepting, and abusive in the pit and off. I have heard men come out of his training saying negative/abusive comments out of anger. Many in his circle grieve and are praying for change. I have also read Mark’s blogs and other media which he feels he needs to vent… some are downright disgusting. I have grieved over the revelation of this truth and didn’t want to believe it at first. I turned my back and defended him at first. However, with time, the truth is exactly what set me free.

    Jesus was nothing like Mark Driscoll. So for one to say the following is unacceptable (and I quote from Dallas Jene above), “There is a new kind of pastor on the horizon a no [expletive deleted], no lies, no f’n “make our own rules”. Mark does make his own rules and has been left off-leash with no accountability platform to keep him in check. When questioned (out-of-love) he has been nothing short of a pit bull; throwing people out of the church, yelling, swearing, etc. He has been hurting and wrecking hearts along his path.

    Jesus would never do such a thing. His ministry had one outbreak and that was against religious zealots selling items for profit at the temple. Hmmmm… doesn’t Mark Driscoll sell his own books in his bookstore at each location? I even recall Mark doing a 3-month sermon series on his book, “Real Marriage” where everyone had to buy his book and discuss it in their community groups. That was the last straw and warranted my exit (which posed difficulty). However, no longer feel guilty. My former personality which defended Mars Hill and Driscoll was stubborn, abusive, and defensive. I was blind, what can I say? Friends and family have confessed I was judgmental, unapproachable, and uninspiring.
    Mark Driscoll does not practice what he preaches. He uses Jesus to further his agenda and to disguise his unethical views. I do believe he needs help and hopefully he will come out of this. But, I do not accept that people are to be silent and not discuss their feelings. It’s important for humans who’ve been ousted, wronged or hurt to purge their feelings. It is a right of passage and God hopes for the perpetrator to hear that hurt and see the effect their behavior and/or actions has caused another. Without truth, you have lies. “Covering up” pastoral or church behavior deserves exactly what it gets. Heck, we are all guilty of covering up at a local level with those in our life we’re loyal to. It is human nature to become defensive for what we love. It’s hard to see the truth when we are blinded by love for another. However, Jesus doesn’t need a bunch of men or women covering up something in order to save the Word. Jesus is bigger, better, and more than that. He will not accept this behavior… but then again, we all fall short.

    But, let’s allow our shortcomings to be told so we may learn. It’s at the bottom we are able to find our way out. If one is constantly protected by a group of people… than how can one grow? I believe all of the negative media on Mark can be a blessing if he listens and actually is sorrowful for his behavior (all of it). That is the precipice of entering the Kingdom. Not this judgmental, negative, hateful, spiteful, demeaning, no tolerance kind of attitude. Jesus NEVER exhibited such behavior. Did he ever ask anyone what their sexuality was before loving them? NEVER. Oh my gosh… he advocated for a prostitute from being stoned, a tax collector from being unwelcomed in the presence of Jesus, etc. I listed to Jesus. He never went after the prostitute and made sure she repented and controlled her every move. Isn’t that something? Jesus watched her leave and never asked any of the disciples nor people in her community to make sure she was monitored, controlled, etc.

    He rushed to love, help, and defy religion/hierarchal regimes; yet humanity has blown it again just like the pharisees and beyond. We don’t need a building with numbers on it to commune with Jesus. He made that very clear. Mars Hill is all about Mars Hill. They are focused on their brand and perfection. They implement a zero-tolerance policy on sin. I’ve known many people who have asked for prayer and did not receive it because the elders and pastors decided they wanted to the church to move in a direction where we first made sure the person didn’t have any unconfessed sin in their lives. They pushed that onto Community Group leaders… and people weren’t getting prayer; instead being questioned about possible unconfessed sin being the reason they needed prayer. I have witnessed horror and grief with people because they feel they can’t measure up within the environment of Mars Hill.

    Goodness… I’ve had it with Mars Hill. They are controlling, judgmental, and unaccepting. Sure, there are stories where some feel they were accepted; but that does not warrant the behavior, actions, and comments I have witnessed. I thinks it’s important the truth be told… always! The truth is the one-and-only barometer for change. Truth = Jesus. I with more agnostics, atheists and others alike knew this about Jesus; but guess what? They will. We are all created in His Perfect Image so let go of control and worry about serving orphans, foster-kids, and victims of sex-trafficking. Want to make a difference? Then go help a single parent move on a Sunday rather than sacrificing your allegiance to a building. I’m so sure God is smiling on your perfect Sunday attendance rather than foregoing the intellectualism and socialism for something hard (your time, your energy, and helping a stranger you’re not emotionally connected to).
    I do believe Mark but he hasn’t gotten there yet. Maybe he will. Maybe he won’t. Maybe he will partially. However, it doesn’t mean he gets a free pass from accountability. People should voice their truth. I’m tired of churches lying or misleading the public. No wonder people pull away from religion. They are smart just like Jesus. They smell the fish, the deceit and the phony religion. Stop preaching and get your hands dirty people. Stop boasting about your church name and show your neighbors how you foster kids, mentor emancipated youth, etc. That is far more honored than preaching a bible without actions or heart to back up the the lordship pastors have been able to get away with.
    Jesus is not about making sure the faults of church-goers goes unnoticed solely to further his Word. This is God we’re speaking of! He doesn’t need the building to live in humans. His Spirit is everywhere with everyone who wishes to see it. Thank goodness he defied religion and tore the veil! People… we don’t need a building nor a pastor to feed us. We need Jesus. I’m tired of people becoming so busy with the building and ignoring the orphans, widows, and foster-children. We are wasting our time arguing about elementary fundamentals, and getting caught up in whose right/wrong or better yet which pastor is a sexier/stronger speaker. God is not about pastors!!! He’s about the common folk!

    Instead, most people are not stepping up to God’s Plan and Design. If people think their perfect marriage is all we are asked to honor: you’re mistaken. Remember…, it is easy to love and do for our inner-circle. But, to stretch yourselves (and your time) to go outside of your church, community group, and Sunday attendance to actually serve orphans or foster kids is where God separated the truth from the lies.

    God is about Action. Not words. He’s about Love for your neighbor or towards your enemy; not about how much you love your husband or best friend (which is easy). He called us to a higher calling which I have yet to see in upper-class American churches. Do not listen to the lies… instead… go out and love. Yes, I am a foster-parent. It’s hard.. but these kids need us. Jesus knew that. I dare Mark Driscoll or his wife to be TRUE EXAMPLES of Christ and become foster parents, adopt, and give their time to the community outside of Mars Hill. If you can’t sacrifice your life for the actual Word of God which is this… then you have no authority! People see the bull with pastors and churches and I say.. good for them!

    Call them out! Geese Louise… change already! Humans respond to love and beauty. When you see a family serving from altruism; it is inspiring. Altruism is God. I’m tired of churches using their brand to act like it was the brand that helped this person or that. For example, every Sunday at most churches, you get to see a video about someone’s life being highlighted. They claim God, but instead of giving it up solely to God, they use the church’s name (i.e., “Because of Mars Hill I’ve grown, because of City Church, because of the Catholic Faith, etc). Unacceptable. Their is no humility under such behavior. There is no example with celebrity pastors.

    Let the truth be the truth; for every one of us. But, let’s allow love and grace to lead our lives. However, God never asked us to accept behavior like that of Mark Driscoll. We can get in God’s way by controlling, manipulating and hiding the facts. I’m proud of those who have stood up publically against this church and it’s pastor. It’s about time. It’s when we start being real we can relate. God is relatable and lovable. Period.

    Now.. go out and do something truly Godly and quit hiding behind intellectualism.

  7. A caring pastor

    Indeed, he has and numerous ones for more than a decade. He is arrogant, vulgar, and they don’t call him the “potty-mouthed preacher” for nothing. He’s been known for years to be downgrading to women, abusive with staff, and condescending to anyone disagreeing with him. His “out” (excusing apologetic) has always been (like Dallas Jene says below), is that he was “reaching” the heathen populations of Seattle— voted the most Pagan city in America since they “won” that title from San Francisco a few years ago. But this has been the problem with the Emergent Mentality that birthed the Acts 29 Network of churches from the start. Acts 29 supposedly set out to save evangelicalism from itself! Since evangelicalism went into labor pains to “deliver” the world from those of us guilty not thinking “outside the box.” (But “outside the box” means for them, “outside he Book” we call the Bible). For them, Scripture is less than sufficient. To challenge them on that point with those words is enough to start a war. They claim to be diametrically opposite. But their actions speak MUCH louder than their argumentations. The history of the movement was that Driscoll—one of it’s founders—left it when he (to his credit) saw it moving in a theological direction he could neither endorse nor promote. Driscoll has remained remarkably sound on most of the essential doctrines of Christianity, and has even ad-libbed some debates quite admirably from a “defense of the faith” perspective. Mark is not a stupid man by any means. But that’s usually when he knows he’s being filmed or interviewed an he’s minded his manners cognizant of where he is. However, it’s the “off the record” stuff that’s leaked out of Mars Hill from people working on staff and members with intimate knowledge and close contact that have repeatedly blown the whistle on him. I met a man in 2010 at a research conference in San Diego, CA. who was a member of Driscoll’s leadership team/staff in some capacity. He was also a part of the Acts 29 network and was influential enough to have served on it’s “Board” in some way. He actually defended Mark on some of the same “demographic” issues Dallas Jene cites below. He was also asking prayer for Mark and the tensions created at Mars Hill back then, b/c he knew Mark’s ways were less than godly and less than becoming of a man of God. He spoke of first hand knowledge that his ministry was being threatened by people protesting his own antics. Mark was a ticking time bomb in that respect. Dr. Peter Jones—my personal friend and former Chair of the N.T. Dept. at Westminster Seminary in Escondido, CA., tried to take Mark under his wing and help him (in Peter’s words), “grow up a bit.” He even staged an evangelistic event with Mark as THE keynote “attraction” on a Saturday night conclusion of the conference. I didn’t go in protest of what Driscoll was becoming known for, and even offered Peter some counsel on the wisdom of identifying his ministry “Truth-x-change” with Driscoll’s, as I felt great harm could come from it. Now 4 yrs. removed, the rooster everyone was hesitant to admit lived and the barn Marks thinks of as “his own to rule” has gotten out and terrorized the other “hen houses” in the church community and online. Mark’s always had his own pecking order over more hens that his own. That is not intended to imply any infidelity in Marks’ marriage, unless there’s something I don’t know about. What is meant is that “14,000 members in 15 locations and 5 States” is working in “other people’s hen houses. But you see, THAT’S WHAT THE ACTS 29 CHURCH MOVEMENT WAS ALL ABOUT IN THE FIRST PLACE! The many bends of now “come home to roost” and peck the comb of pride off the rooster!

    I pray Mark will repent and get some things right; but at this point, he’s broken the trusts of thousands with this plagiarism scandal. Still, there’s almost no question (at least in my mind), that Acts 29 leadership is “getting even” with Driscoll of people he’s ticked off. They may have shot themselves in the foot on that, but in some way, the entire leg needs amputated anyway! This is a sad day in the history of this pseudo-renewal movement. Driscoll really did have a the “personality cult” thing going on as several comment below. This really is a man that thinks so highly of himself that he’s come to believe himself above all accountability. His “church” (lecture hall or lecture “screen” has grown so big and his public persona so “mighty,” that he’s bought into his own popularity. The higher he perched himself, the harder the fall. I pray his marriage holds together. But honestly, he’s been paid so much money via the church salary, what ever severance deals he’s contracted to receive, public appearances and book royalties, that he’s probably SELF-sufficient for a time, as long as he’s not lived off credit and having now to deal with inability to make payments. He could lose much more than his reputation. As to the public, all he’ll have to do is lay low for a time, come out with a book called, “I Was Wrong: Does Anybody Care?” (reminiscent of Jim Bakker), and people will overlook it all and call it “forgiveness.” I”m one of those “hard-working preachers” who’ve labored long with few thanks and little income from those you’ve lavished most with God’s love. But I speak not from jealousy. God has always been faithful to provide. Frankly, I’ve lived without money for so long the prospect of being financially independent scares me half to death. I take no joy in seeing Mark struggle in this way. I hurt for him and for the ministry in general—or his wife and his boys. We who remain faithful have to do public damage control when things of this nature come. But there is justice divine in this somewhere. So as all comment, remembers this: God loves Mark Driscoll enough to have this come to (hopefully), bring him to repentance and grace, and not to destroy his ministry. Mark has great gifts and talents—maybe too many! He just needs to learn how to use them for the Lord’s glory instead of his own. GOOD NEWS! God disciplinary activities are ALWAYS REDEMPTIVE and not punitive for punishment’s sake. The punitive part BREAKS the man; the redemptive part BUILDS the man. Ps 51 is hopefully, the result. But dire consequences come to those who refused to be broken and continue in ministry without being changed inwardly. We all falter and fail at times. God is a restoring God. But He waits for us to repent in brokenness that comes from a heart that’s abandoned all hope in anything but God. “The arm of flesh will fail you [Mark], you dare not trust your own [expertise, strength, forcefulness, ingenuity or circle of friends]. I’ll be praying for you and that you’ll let God dismantle your ministry. Trust Him. Only He can put it back together again, and make is look like Humpty Dumpty never had a great fall, even if some of the Acts 29 folks may be guilty of pushing you off the wall.

  8. What’s really going on here, apparently, is that Grove City College psychology professor and anti-“homophobia” zealot Warren Throckmorton has scored another hit on a Christian who speaks out against the “gay” agenda. This guy is utterly obsessed with sabotaging Christian leaders who oppose homosexuality, and specializes in getting other Christians to distance themselves from his targets by focusing in on whatever questionable comments or actions he can dig up on his target to make them look bad. Very manipulative.

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