Town Hall in Greece, N.Y.

Town Hall in Greece, N.Y. Photo courtesy of Wikimedia Commons

(RNS) The town at the heart of May’s Supreme Court decision approving sectarian prayer at public meetings has adopted new rules that may exclude atheist invocations.

On Tuesday (Aug. 19), Greece, N.Y. adopted new rules for who can deliver a prayer or invocation before its public meetings. Those rules include “religious clergy” and “religious assemblies,” but make no mention of the nonreligious, such as atheists and humanists.

In May, the Supreme Court ruled in Town of Greece v. Galloway that sectarian prayers before public meetings do not violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment as long as there is no discrimination in determining who may give them.

“If this policy does, in effect, bar the nonreligious from delivering invocations, it would represent a disappointing step backward for the Town of Greece,” said Ronald A. Lindsay, president of the Center For Inquiry, a First Amendment watchdog organization.

Brian Marianetti, attorney for the town of Greece, said he did not know if atheists would be permitted to give an invocation under the rules.

“I can’t say one way or another,” he said. Each speaker will be “decided on a case-by-case basis.”

The rules, obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request by an atheist group, also state a city clerk will compile an annual list of churches, synagogues, temples and mosques from which representatives may be drawn to open public meetings with a prayer or invocation. It makes no mention of any type of assembly of nonbelievers.

One local atheist has already given an invocation in Greece. Dan Courtney, a member of the Atheist Community of Rochester, N.Y., opened the city’s July 15 meeting.

Earlier this week, the board of commissioners in Brevard County, Fla., voted to prevent atheists from delivering invocations before its meetings.

YS/AMB END WINSTON

78 Comments

  1. The controversies in Greece erupted when an avocational nuisance named Nancy Braiman (a resident of Brighton, N.Y.) took it upon her self to attend Greece Town Board meetings and make hay about the convocations there. Nancy Braiman is not and likely never has been a resident of Greece nor was there any business she had with the Greece Town Board. Dan Courtney is not a resident of Greece, either. Nancy Braiman’s sister, Betsy Passer, has been responsible for similar scenes in Oswego County. This has nothing to do with liberty; it has everything to do with people who make it their business to seek out conflict insisting others bend to their will. A healthy society contains and penalizes such people.

      • The Greece Town Board opening its meetings with prayer, done with the consent of the elected board members counts as ‘abuse’ only to people who wish to manufacture drama. If you do not care for it, don’t attend their meetings.

        • @Art Deco,

          “If you do not care for it, don’t attend their meetings.”

          Why are you promoting death to unbelievers?

          You are eager to do as Jesus commands and fight the Atheists.
          What sort of execution would you like for the Atheists?

          “bring to me those enemies of mine who would not have me as their King and EXECUTE THEM IN FRONT OF ME.” – JESUS (Luke 19:27)

          “If you have money, buy a sword” – JESUS

          Kill them all, right ‘Art’?

          • @Todd Flowerday,

            “If anyone does not love the Lord, let that person be cursed!
            (1 Corinthians 16:22)
            “do not associate with anyone…if he is guilty”
            (1 Corinthians 5:11)
            “Love thy neighbor” – Jesus

            There is no proper context for incoherence.

        • ALL discriminatory acts and laws in this country are passed by a majority vote and by elected officials. It seems you don’t care for the idea of civil liberties.

          The town of Greece, NY has essentially said that people who believe as I do have no place in civil functions. The only people producing the drama are those who feel the local government is owned by their God. They are using their position to intentionally discriminate.

          There is no civil purpose to these public invocations besides officials claiming ownership of the government for their religion. Marking their territory like incontinent terriers.

        • So, Art Deco, what you’re really saying here is that non-believers should not participate as equals in the government that is supposed to represent them equally? And why don’t they just do their invocations before opening the meeting, thereby allowing the religious to participate without forcing it down the throats of the non-religious? The answer is because religion is inherently divisive, not inclusive. Religion is about the formation of in-groups.

          • What I’m really saying is what I have said. If you wish to please yourself by recomposing it and imagining I’ve said something else, be my guest. It would be courteous if you did not, in relating my words, to mix them up with your imagination, but that level of courtesy I’m not going to get from you all.

          • What you said is that Atheists are people who should be ostracized, singled out and have no place in civil government.

            It would be courteous if you did not constantly try to personally insult people whose opinion differed from yours. But that won’t happen any time soon.

        • @Doc Anthony,

          “If you do not care for it, don’t attend their meetings.”

          The Law does not give the people who run the meetings the right to eliminate the prayer options of people they may happen to object to.

          Equal protection under the law means:
          Atheists have as much right to provide an INVOCATION as Christians, Muslims, Satanists, Voodoo Doctors and Pastafarians!

          If you don’t like it, quit forcing prayer on everyone. Christians are delusional if they think forcing prayer in public meetings is a good way to spread Jesus! It is the worst plan ever.

          Religion has no place in public meetings at all. This is about to become abundantly clear as Atheists start taking the stages alongside everybody else.

    • Jonathan J. Turner

      Thanks, Art Deco, for naming the names.

      While passing out rebukes, however, let us not neglect to mention the “creedless” (godless) Unitarian Universalists, who have welcomed, harbored and supported such atheist activists as Ms. Braiman.

      • @Jonathan J. Turner:

        “Execute them in front of me” – JESUS – (Luke 19:27)
        “I shall kill their children with Death” – JESUS – (Rev 1:22-23)
        “Drown them with a millstone” – JESUS (Matthew 18:6)

        EVER WONDER WHY JESUS’ FOLLOWERS ARE READY TO KILL?

        JESUS – I WILL DISMEMBER PEOPLE WITH A SWORD

        “The master shall cut him to pieces” – Jesus (Luke 12) JESUS describes what he intends to do to his own enemies, whoever they may be.

        JESUS – EXECUTE MY ENEMIES FOR ME

        “..bring to me those enemies of mine who would not have me as their King, and execute them in front of me.” (Luke 19:27)

        JESUS – YOU SHOULD DROWN THEM

        “Drown him with a millstone” (Matt 18:6),

        JESUS – KILL YOUR CHILDREN

        “And why do you break the command of God
 for the sake of your tradition? …. ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ ” (Matthew 15:3)

        JESUS – YOU MUST JUDGE HARSHLY

        “…if it is not worthy, take back your blessing of peace.” (Matt 10:13)

        JESUS – I SHALL BURN THE WORLD

        “I have come to bring FIRE…What constraints! I am impatient to bring..DIVISION.” (Luke 12:49-51)

        JESUS – HATE THOSE WHO LOVE YOU

        “Hate your parents…hate your life”(Luke 14:26)

        JESUS – I’M A MAFIA GODFATHER. DO IT OR ELSE.

        “Eat of my body” and “Be baptized and believe” or “Be condemned to Hell” (John 6:53-54) (Mark 16:16).

        JESUS – I WILL KILL THE CHILDREN MYSELF

        “I shall kill her children with Death” – Jesus (Matthew 18:6)

          • Be careful, Max. Be careful about treating biblical mythology as more than it is. Also be careful not to give it the respect of being the exact writings they are claimed to be. After all the copying of scribes, after the loss and non-existence of any original documents, we must take those scriptures for what they are, a continuation of ancient, pre-science, pre-historical scribbling.

          • @gilhcan,

            “we must take those scriptures for what they are, a continuation of ancient, pre-science, pre-historical scribbling.”

            I agree completely.
            But too many Christians don’t realize how these barbaric scriptures target humanity for death.

            Too many Christians have never read the Bible.
            They don’t know what it means to be Christian.

            They don’t know that Jesus is a monster – that his entire message is not ‘love’ but is instead ‘obedience and fear’.

            Too many Christians are too ignorant of what horrors they fund
            when they put a dollar in the basket at church.
            They are unwitting contributors to terror.
            It needs to be exposed – to them.

            To Atheists:
            wherever you are, please come out – be strong.
            we are a huge demographic and the Christians don’t know how big we really are so they are steamrolling all over us.

          • Ah yes, Atheist Max the Bible scholar. Your position is a little weird (in fact, it comes across as totally weird, because the standard concept of “check both text and context” appears to be utterly foreign to you), but at least you consistently appeal to the Bible in an attempt to support your position.

            Gotta start somewhere, I suppose. :)

      • Nancy Braiman and her sibilings grew up in a home that was Reform Jewish with some baseline of observance (at least prior to her parents’ divorce). That was the mode at that time in that particular suburban township. No clue what the deal is now in that nexus. Her daughter, who was the subject of some controversy at Brighton Middle School in 2005 (as her mother was using her as a prop for political slogans), has a goyish surname. Whatever her views on the hereinafter, she’s her mother’s daughter, and her mother has a history as a professional public nuisance. Judy Braiman set up shop in 1970 as the local manifestation of Ralph Nader, harrying commercial companies for selling toys she did not care for, spraying pesticides she did not care for, installing burglar alarms she did not care for, &c.

        • Art, you are a real piece of work. Can you sink any lower than to make personal attacks on the people who made the complaints?

          Don’t ever pretend that being a Christian can be equated with being a moral upright person. You are lower than dogcrap.

          • Is there any part of you not suffused with fraud and pretension?

            This who they are and this is what they do. There is no ‘issue’ here. You fancy there’s an issue here because you mistake your personal aggression for some sort of political principle.

          • Now you are making personal attacks against me. Why bother addressing a situation or concepts when you can just make tasteless ad hominem attacks?

            This is what you are and what you do. You have no sense of propriety whatsoever.

        • Jonathan J. Turner

          Ms. Braiman put herself out there into the public in 2007. The Rochester D&C has an archive of local blogs (“Petrina’s Place”) from that time that gives a clear picture of modern (anti-Christian) humanist dialectic in social action: first, be very offended; then, sue. This was when I was still a Unitarian Universalist attender, and I saw her at UU services on more than one occasion. My family and I ceased attending UU services after July 27, 2008

          As I noted in a past RNS comment, once I discerned the malevolent motivations of the players, I called up the Greece town supervisor’s office; I told them about how activist UUs wanted to make Greece a test case. I suggested that they get national-level legal help, which they did.

          • I can almost guarantee you that matters of religion are occasional or incidental here. Nancy Braiman was raised to interact with the larger world in a particular way. The personal merges with the political in these matters. The difference re her mother is that her mother concerned herself with granular material and I think did do her homework. Nancy Braiman’s the sort who stands at an intersection with a magic-markered sign that says ‘Bush lied, people died’. Her daughter got into tangles with administrators for showing up at school in T-shirts with dopey slogans on them (just what a 12 year old interests herself in, right?).

            Nancy Braiman’s grandfather, Myer Braiman, was a prominent local Democrat and served some time in the state Assembly, a fairly reserved fellow with a good reputation in and among the local bar for conscientiousness and industry. Her paternal grandmother and her father were immensely pleasant people, and her father was on the Brighton Democratic committee IIRC. No clue what they would make of all this; not their kind of politics at all.

      • So you and others can intimidate and attack their character. Real classy. Never mind the alleged Christians in the town are treating the local government like their own personal theocratic fiefdom. Never mind the clear discriminatory behavior. Go for the obnoxious attack on the character of the speakers rather than address what they have to say.

        Christians really are some of the most immoral people out there. Any bad act is excusable if done for the Lord.

          • You are just encouraging people to do so. You mistake personal ad hominem attack for dismissal of valid points.

            It is impossible to take you seriously or respect anything you say.

            You have this rather disgusting idea that government is for Christians only and everyone who says otherwise should keep their mouths shut (if they know whats good for them).

          • Larry, you haven’t an ounce of skill in the realm of reading comprehension, nor can you articulate a principle of correct conduct that isn’t stupid or fraudulent.

  2. @Art Deco,

    “If you do not care for it, don’t attend their meetings.”

    That is quite a smirk on your face.
    But the crimes of Jesus will wipe it off
    now that you have taken off your gloves.

    It is entirely appropriate to teach Christians
    That their belief in God is destructive nonsense.
    Especially if they have decided to use their JESUS
    as a club to beat the rest of us into submission.

    There is no chance you will beat the rest of us into submission.

    The battle for hearts and minds has begun
    and we Atheists
    have had enough condescension and badgering.

    Christians will hear more persuasive and challenging arguments against Jesus coming from Anti-theists like myself.

    An ANTI-Sunday School is growing.
    And you are fueling it with your hate of Atheists.

    Where is your god anyway? It seems Nobody can find it.

  3. This only proves how juvenile the politicians of Greece, NY, are. And they are matched by the Catholic majority of the Supreme Court that ruled in their favor.
    Juveniles lie very easily. The Supreme Court’s decision was full of lies. They and Greece officials now extend they lying behavior, acting like immature kids.

    And these people all claim to be so “religious.” It is one more chapter in the evil history of religion, Christianity included.

    Consider the behavior of Christian evangelicals all around the country, especially in the South. There is nothing good or honest about it. It is ugly, evil, and deceitful.

    • The approaching Christian Sharia Law taking over America
      with its billion dollar Christian Corporate Oligarchy should concern everyone.

      Religion is always DICTATORIAL AND AUTHORITARIAN.

      “If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting” (2 John 1:10)

      Despicable garbage.

  4. Why isn’t Max banned from this site already for spamming? His posts here have nothing to do with the subject being discussed. He’s just spamming out of context bible verses and making slanderous statements about the intentions of Christians.

    • @Neon Genesis,

      “Why isn’t Max banned from this site already for spamming? His posts here have nothing to do with the subject being discussed.”

      THAT is off topic.

      The Topic – I shall remind you
      Christians acting like fascists in Greece, New York
      and elsewhere using their ‘faith’ in their imaginary dictator
      to force government’s hand against NON-believers in their communities.

      The Topic
      Is about Christian Fascists dominating local politics over other religions
      at the behest of their imaginary dictator.

      The Topic
      Is the philosophy of an absolutist, totalitarian, imaginary dictator
      who somehow rules – with no evidence whatsoever.

      The Topic
      Is injustice and raw unfairness perpetrated
      by Christians who seize power
      In the name of their imaginary dictator for no reason except to push people around and force them to follow the rules of the imaginary dictator.

      The Topic
      Is the subversion of democracy in the name
      of an imaginary dictator.

      “Execute them in front of me” – JESUS (Luke 19:27)
      Is COMPLETELY RELEVANT TO THIS TOPIC.

  5. Kimberly Winston

    Hi guys. Atheist Max, let’s take a break here. Neon Genesis, we are currently reviewing our commenting guidelines and they are going to change soon. Until then, I don’t have the authority to ban anyone or remove their comments, unless they become obscene or threatening. Please bear with us – we are growing and trying to learn how to keep up with it.

    • Kimberly,
      by the way.

      THE BIBLE VERSES ARE MUCH MORE OBSCENE
      Than any comment I have seen at RNS.
      And I’m not just saying so.

      I think the comments at RNS
      have been policed extremely well.
      I have no complaints. I do not mind receiving personal insults.
      I don’t mind being called nasty things.
      I try and usually succeed in not returning them.

      I have twice been physically threatened at RNS
      But those comments were deleted by the manager and that was excellent.

      I don’t mind if things go off topic – RNS is a very lively place to debate.
      It is hard to go off topic when every comment is about Religion.
      I hope you don’t change the policy too much.

      I would never threaten. I am never obscene.
      I rarely ‘reply’ unless the person appears to be inviting one.
      But I sure love a good scrappy religious argument
      and I hope you’ll let them continue.

  6. Max also spent a fair amount of time on my site earlier this summer before leaving in frustration.

    I think Max’s efforts are worth pondering. He sends the message, intentionally or not, that he and others like him don’t make any converts by their clumsy approach to internet relationships. They seem more interested in reading themselves in print, a sort of literary selfie gone viral.

    An atheist quoting the Bible is a curious thing. Kind of like a tailor reading up and discussing nuclear physics, or a physicist trying to make a hobby of dressing up his or her friends. Every so often, you might hit upon a winner. But a person who is persistent in bothering others isn’t likely the genuine article.

    I think Max would make a better impact on good discussion by shelving the Bible-quoting and taking a stand for atheist principles in discussions here and elsewhere. Selfies are cute to a degree. But people who persist are usually looked upon with sympathy after the 437th framing.

    • @Todd Flowerday,

      “An atheist quoting the Bible is a curious thing.”

      HA!
      If the Bible were only for Christians,
      there would never have been any Christians!

      THE BIBLE IS A SALES PITCH TO ATHEISTS:

      “But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah,
      the Son of God…” – (John 20:31)

      “These points prove why you can be sure the Corolla is the best car in its class…” – Toyota Pamphlet 1978

      The Bible was written for Atheists – NON believers.
      I merely point out why I reject the argument so far.

  7. I would certainly like to see some guidelines. Too often the comments are little related to the actual article. I have been guilty of this also. There is so much redundancy of comments. Anger and put downs add little to the discussion.

  8. Why would any atheist even consider giving an invocation ? To whom would they invocate ? Besides atheism is not a religion ! Another attempt by secularist to undermind our society!

    • @Peter,

      “Why would any atheist even consider giving an invocation ?”

      I cannot leave this question unanswered. Very much ON topic.

      Peter, we Atheists have as just much right to INVOKE as Christians.
      We do not pray. We speak the invocation.

      If you don’t want Atheists speaking at these sorts of things
      You must support the banning of public prayer – simple as that.

      • Not true at all. Just because you do not want to adhere to the rule does NOT mean the rule must be changed. You always have the option of doing nothing and allowing others their rights to follow the law.

        • “You always have the option of doing nothing”

          ‘Sitting out a prayer’ in many small-town communities
          is considered self incriminating. The whole process is about
          smoking out who the unbelievers are.

          You should not be so breezy about this. Forced public prayer will blow back at Christians, too.

          • ‘Sitting out a prayer’ in many small-town communities
            is considered self incriminating.

            Which ones? Cue Jonathan Haidt here.

            In any case, Greece is a suburban township with more than 100,000 people living in it.

          • @Art Deco,

            Try sitting out a prayer in Baghdad.
            See what the Muslims would say.

            Or is that kind of Theocratic bullying
            your idea of what we need more of in the USA?

          • Speaking of theocratic bullying, you felt the need to single out the people who complained about the clear 1st Amendment violation and have them targeted for harassment by others.

  9. Who are Internet Trolls?

    In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. Wikipedia

    • @JJ
      Max is far from a troll.
      Real trolls spout nonsense and dont take time to make coherent arguments. Max has clearly done his homework and puts a lot of thought into his messages. It would be a shame if he were banned and a frankly would be a disgrace.

      But I wouldnt be surprised given the fact that the religious do not want to hear reasonable, intelligent arguments.

      Note to RNS: The only reason I come to the site is to read Max’s comments.
      Keep it up Max….people are reading.

        • The reason Max is a trolling atheist is that he agitates, inflames and insults those who are Christian and come to this site to read articles of varying opinions and situations. His constant attack on other people’s opinion is ridiculing and demeaning. If he is so opposed to what the Christian faith stands for; why is he here ? Give your opinion (which is always wrong) but respect others who have an opinion. Max’s stand is well known. It is best to ignore ignorant people or better yet give him the boot!

          • @Sam,

            GOD SAYS – CUT OFF YOUR WIFE’S HAND
            IF SHE TOUCHES ANOTHER MAN’S PENIS.

            “you shall cut off her hand; show no pity.” (DEUT. 25:11)

            If reading your bible to you
            is considered inflammatory, insulting and obscene – what does that say about your religion?

          • What is it about a differing opinion that you find troll-like, Sam? Like a lot of people making bad arguments surrounding this issue, you are re-defining the word “troll” to suit your viewpoint, which is that you don’t want to hear someone else’s. Max isn’t even terribly insulting. He quotes bible verses to illustrate that it was authored by barbarians, and he holds a minority opinion that happens to be unpopular on this board, but he isn’t making outrageous assertions, throwing around insults, and if his statements seem inflammatory to you, it’s probably because you’re not accustomed to having your cherished, if completely unsupported, beliefs being challenged in an open forum.

        • @Shawnie,

          I was an Atheist before I ever found “Godisimaginary.”
          You will find no ‘word for word’ lifting from me.
          But thanks for plugging one of my favorite Atheist sites.

          If I discover that Lemon and Chicken go well together
          and I mix them into a recipe
          That does not mean it was cut and pasted from Martha Stewart’s recipe for Lemon Chicken.

          If I say there are “billions and billions of galaxies in the Cosmos”
          I am not ‘cutting and pasting’ from Carl Sagan.

          Shawnie, I deal with evidence – And you don’t.
          But referencing evidence is what I do.
          You make up stuff. I’ve never seen an argument from you, pasted or otherwise, which was persuasive or backed up with anything.

          ‘Execute them in front of me’ – JESUS (luke 19:27)
          Is not ‘cut and paste’. I typed it from memory.
          I hope that makes you feel better.
          But you are still stuck with Jesus the executioner.

          • Goldminer:

            “Execute them’ – JESUS …….It’s a parable”

            Tell that to a burned ‘witch.’ By the way, you know that no real ‘witch’ with magic powers ever existed in real-life right?

      • @ WALLY MAX IS THE POSTER BOY ON THIS SITE OF WHAT A TROLL DOES. HIS PERSONAL AGENDA IS VERY OBVIOUS. HE HAS TOTAL IGNORANCE OF METAPHORS, ALLEGORIES AND LITERARY DEVICES USED IN THE BIBLE.

        I DO NOT CARE OF HIS COMMENTS AGAINST/FOR AN ARTICLE; BUT HIS ATTACKS OF OTHER PEOPLES COMMENTS WITH FALSE UNDERSTANDING OF THE BIBLE IS OFFENSIVE AND WRONG.

        PEOPLE ARE READING….AND SEEING WHY EXTREMIST ARE DOING SUCH GREAT DAMAGE TO PEOPLE WHO KNOW SO LITTLE.

        • @JJ
          His personal agenda is obvious because he has listed it before. I can see how he is a nuisance to you but that doesnt make him a troll. Its actually ironic given the fact that the religious are usually the ones bothering people in a attempt to convert them.

          And since when is there a false understanding of the bible? Its incoherence allows it to be interpreted in many ways. Max is only trying to get people to think for themselves by opening their eyes to the absurd nuances of religion. It just so happens the bible is a laughably easy target.

          • Wally – I agree with you. Max does a great job of breaking down the arguments. It is nice to have some rationality to counter these preening Christians.

          • Is it rational to make ad hominem attacks on people who have a political/religious point to make? Of course not. But that is what you did here.

        • @JJ,

          Please explain to me what is the “correct understanding” of this passage in the Bible:

          GOD COMMANDS THE KILLING OF SWEET CHILDREN
          WHO HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG:

          “Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes.” (Isaiah 13:15)

          JESUS AGREES – “I and the Lord are one” (John 1:17)
          “For truly…not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law.” (Matthew 5:18-19)

          AND YET, JESUS DISAGREES – “Kill Him”- “if anyone should harm children, drown him with a millstone.” (Matt 18:6)

          Christianity
          is a parlor trick:
          Heads or Tails, you still win.

        • @JJ,

          “ATHEIST MAX HAS TOTAL IGNORANCE OF METAPHORS, ALLEGORIES AND LITERARY DEVICES USED IN THE BIBLE.”

          “Execute them” – JESUS (Luke 19:27)
          Is not a metaphor.

          It is REAL permission to kill REAL people.

          “You should be put to death, Fa***t, God said so”
          – Victor Sadet, Aug 7, 2014

          Christianity is evil.
          If you don’t know it, you are doing it right.

  10. Art Deco — Why do the elected feel the need to pray during a public meeting? An atheist absolutely is allowed to deliver an invocation in the form of prayer. What is it precisely that leads to you to think we should not be allowed to do this? Then I need to ask how long should one of these prayers last? What happens if the prayer lasts too long? Are the elected officials receiving per diem expenses during the time of the prayer? Are they elected to pray, or to serve the public? Perhaps the clergy delivering the prayer could fund those portions of their salaries.

    • The reason is that an atheist is NOT, by definition, religious. That being the case, why do they INSIST on “praying”? Why do the atheists continue to demand that those who DO have a religion are NOT allowed to exercise their faith in public? The atheist shows their lack of faith constantly. This is not a one-sided issue, Markkinator.

      • NOBODY IS TELLING YOU THAT YOU CANNOT PRAY ANYWHERE YOU WANT TO!
        PRAY BY YOURSELF!! PRAY OUT LOUD – NOT A PROBLEM!

        GOOD GRIEF, QUIT WHINING!

        Commanding that everyone else has to listen to your ridiculous cries to the human blood sacrifice named Jesus or any other sky pocket – is OUTRAGEOUS!

        Unless you are willing to share that square with Pastafarians, Atheists, Secularists, Humanists, Satanists and every other religion people can dream up.

        You have not been ‘forbidden’ to practice religion.
        Stop being such a big baby!

    • I’m not on the Greece Town Board. Ask them. Convocations at public meetings are not at all unusual. It’s petitionary and reflects the points of reference of the elected officials in that particular community. The local residents are not visibly bothered by it; the politicians likely have much in common with their neighbors. Vocational pests are bothered by it.

    • If you elect a tedious Richard Dawkins-wannabe to the Greece Town Board, you can see how he deals with the problem. (And you can read Atheist Max’s posts or Larry’s if you want an example of the social skills of that breed, which might tell you why they’re uncommon in local politics).

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