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(RNS) The lesbian couple was asked to resign after the school said it received a copy of a mortgage application with both their names.

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  1. To be brutally honest, part of me thinks when I read a story like this, “what was she thinking working for a Catholic school?” Its not like Catholic organizations are going to be remotely reasonable, fair or civil when dealing with gay staff in any way. Its pretty much a given that gays will be mistreated in such a setting.

    The real question is, how long will the laws which allow such clearly discriminatory dismissals stay on the books?

    • @Larry,

      “how long will the laws which allow such clearly discriminatory dismissals stay on the books?”

      Good question.
      I suspect this is a case where the institution of Catholicism will fade away before anybody has to deal with this barbarism.
      Fewer people will support this backwardness, and fewer people will go to church.

      The church’s evil behavior is being rewarded with cold shoulders.
      Let the church fade away. There is no saving it, and no reason to do so.

      • Few things have matched the evil that atheists in power have done, Max.

        It ain’t gonna happen here, though.

    • Larry,

      One very arbitrary point to be made is: why haven’t the RC schools and parishes dismissed the priests, bishops, cardinals, archbishops (did I forget to list any) … married to their Male God?

      Peace and Love

      • There would be nobody left otherwise.

        Even bigots have to think in practical terms once in a blue moon. :)

        • So wow. The thought associations there went from “married to their male god” as a contradictory accusation to the confirmation that said accusation is “practical thinking” despite the implication they cannot think practically given the (buzzword alert) status as bigots.

          You are both stupid. I don’t even know where to begin….other than to highlight it for others when I see it. I mean, not just dumb. Short bus variety dumb.

          But its cool that you two can still communicate that way….despite the logic vacuum in the content of the message. Miracles do happen I suppose.

          • Lles Nats,

            Clearly you miss the point. Lighten up. If I told you I was Israeli would you make threats at my work site like the militant Rcs :)

            Better watch your step … You just might be investigated …

            Peace and Love

          • Awesome. So you prefer to dance in, make a ridiculously logic absent slam on religion, then dance out. I assume thid makes you feel good, right? Then when I give you an honest response, you request I “lighten up” so that u may again feel good.

            Then, whether israeli or not, you prove the double standard mentality is alive in america by insinuating a gov of some fashion may “investigate” me due to my brutal honesty. No doubt that make you giddy…and no doubt you have no idea your need for protection of a few is a call for an absence of freedom.

            All followed up by “peace and love”!?!?!?!

            Good thing you’re pretty.

  2. Leave it to Lles to laugh at employment discrimination. Who knows what his point was. Its awash in a sea of non sequitor.

    But it begs the question as to why anyone should expect Catholic organizations to treat people with a modicum of respect and dignity. Obviously such notions are far beyond the church and its instruments.

    If you think uncivil, malicious behavior towards others is worth holding dear or a worthy tradition, then you should expect people to turn away from it. The rest of the world can stop keeping up the pretense that the church has anything of social value.

    • Behold, the relabling and rebranding for optimal palatability by the inventors of “media relations”.

      What once was freedom of associations is now “uncivil & malicious”.

      What once was a choice of moral activity in accord with the schools mission is now an absence of “respect & dignity”.

      See, respect and dignity only flow in one direction for the relabelers. They deserve it cause they are special and protected. You do not as you are common and traditional.

      Rebranding concepts once hideous for a new acceptance is their art and skill. See the fluidity with which one may accuse the other of being a “terrorist”, or how you can acceoptably kill thousands of unarmed people as long as the “terrorists are hiding among them” Oops. Good news is we got that bad guy, but we killed 100 civilians to do it. Oh well…hey look! Free land!

        • You are not even trying to make a coherent point here. Just slinging barbs and nonsense.

          I can’t help it if you think maintaining prejudices and engaging in malicious behavior is what you consider moral. Just more evidence that religious belief can a great enabler of sociopathic behavior.

          Complaining about complaints of bigotry has never been a refutation. Just proof how thin skinned and childish one can be. If you don’t like to be called a bigot, give me a reason to consider it erroneous. So far I see nothing which would demonstrate that.

          Again, I question the sanity of gay people to work for such an organization. It is a foregone conclusion they will be treated like crap given the first opportunity.

          Why bother?

        • Larry,
          I don’t care what u call me, because I don’t think much of your opinion.

          I recognize only that the hard truth is that people are free to think whatever they want. Given the environment such freedom can create, what is bigoted to you is freedom of association to me, and you have no ground to stop me as you are just the next monkey. Nor I you. In a society of absolute freedom, morality is perfectly relative.

          I can embrace it. Suck it up and maybe you can too. Your truth is not mine and vice versa.

          I can criticize your need for protection from such an organic society though. Calls for laws on the books to establish a supra social power that rules us all only kills freedom.

          You called for that at the top of thr posts. I find that weak. Probably the effect of a weak worldview relavitve to the rest of society.

    • Leave it to Lles to laugh at employment discrimination.

      All employers discriminate in their hiring. In this case, the school has an architectonic mission and the faculty in question are not on board with that mission. Case closed.

      Start your own apostolates, instead of trying to take over someone else’s like some parasitoid wasp.

      • @Art Deco,

        “parasitoid wasp”

        Close the Catholic schools, abandon the Catholic churches and turn off catholic radio – and you will find out who the parasite always was.

  3. To: Lles Nats,

    He writes to my response: Awesome. So you prefer to dance in, make a ridiculously logic absent slam on religion, then dance out. I assume thid makes you feel good, right? Then when I give you an honest response, you request I “lighten up” so that u may again feel good.

    Then, whether israeli or not, you prove the double standard mentality is alive in america by insinuating a gov of some fashion may “investigate” me due to my brutal honesty. No doubt that make you giddy…and no doubt you have no idea your need for protection of a few is a call for an absence of freedom.

    All followed up by “peace and love”!?!?!?!

    Good thing you’re pretty.
    ********************************

    Lles Nats, the comment I made about the clergy being married to their male God was referencing what the nun, S, made on another article. She said, and I quote: I AM MARRIED TO JESUS CHRIST.
    Okay, and what of the male clergy of her RELIGIOUS denomination? Different God? One is married and the other is not?

    You snapped out calling Larry and I stupid, but not just stupid …

    You have yet to share EXACTLY WHAT troubles you about that comment!

    And as far as being investigated … your angry rants may just get you into hot water. That is merely word of caution.

    “Good thing I am pretty?” What are you implying by this?

    PEACE AND LOVE!

  4. As so often, C S Lewis got it right,

    “When the world says to us aloud, “You may be religious when you are alone”, it adds under its breath, “…and I will see to it that you are never alone.” “

  5. They are guilty of sexual misconduct. Why would they expect to remain employed at a Catholic school and why would the schools constituency expect that? You see this over and over again: adolescents who think and act in ways normal for adolescents but who are around about 35 years old and giving this shizz to their employers rather than their mother.

    • Right, because any sane person would know that Catholic organizations are going to discriminate against gays in the workplace, under any condition. If they are already hired within such places, any pretext will be found to fire them. One should not expect reasonable, professional behavior from such people.

      • Right, because any sane person would know that Catholic organizations are going to discriminate against gays in the workplace, under any condition.

        Most certainly any person not an ignorant and self-absorbed fool would know that bar under one set of circumstances: they were employed by the corrupted middle management who collect a salary but pay little or no attention to the Magisterium. Such types are very common in Catholic institutions, but the dismissal of these characters demonstrates that such types did not have the upper hand where they were employed, and with little doubt these people knew perfectly well their situation was precarious and were pushing the envelope.

        Catholic schools well run impart Catholic teaching. If you are outside the fold, you get out of the way and do not interfere with the work of the administration, the other faculty, or the chaplain. Making a public point of your sexual disorders is a challenge to your employer. The Church is under no obligation to provide ‘equal time’ for the secular culture in that manner or any other.

        • Glad you agree with me that gays are going to be discriminated against and treated poorly in general if they choose to work for Catholic organizations.

          Of course to turn around and fire someone for some aspect of character which was apparent at the time of hiring makes them simply look like opportunistic hypocrites. They gave the appearance of not being concerned with the fact the teachers were gay and assented to such by keeping them employed for so long.

          They hired the teachers, kept them employed for a fairly long period of time (9 years) without a word or incident. This is simply political winds shifting towards taking malicious action against gay employees where they were largely ignored in the past. The teachers were naive to expect to be treated humanely by Catholic officials.

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